You're not including free will.
How would that make a difference?
It would cause a break in causality.
You'll have to explain what you mean by that, because that statement is vague and ambiguous. Are you implying causality is destroyed by free will? Are you saying free will somehow makes what humans do mean something more than what a beaver or spider does? And for that matter, how does causality and if it is "broken" have anything to do determining if we are living "naturally?"
I'm saying if we are self aware and have free will then we have a choice over our actions. It's not about being above other animals. Other animals are also self aware.
If we can choose our actions then wouldn't it follow that we can choose incorrectly?
In your examples the system is self adapting, natural. The flower doesn't spew fumes for any reason does it?
If humans can reason and choose then that separates us from nature.
I'm not saying this is a bad thing I'm just feel that is how it is.
So you think that every event, including cognition and behaviour, is exactly the way it should be?
That everything we do is what we should do?
That is what I was trying to say in the initial post.
People think "natural" means good. It doesn't, not in the sense that we use it.
It can when used in the philosophical sense of the word. That is where or difference of opinion stems from.
I agree with you from a scientific standpoint but feel you are wrong in saying that the word 'nature' cannot be used in that way.
If it is, then it doesn't correspond to nature anymore, since the entire natural world could be considered unnatural.
Only in the scientific meaning of the word nature. You can't mix the concepts.
So the philosophical meaning of "nature" means good? Anything that acts as is natural is good? Then we're back to humans, regardless of behavior, being good no matter what because we are acting naturally.
We have grown to what we are, using the same rules every other organism has used to get where we are. We're just better at it than all the others.
No it doesn't.Does slowing down speed you up?
Better at what exactly?
Does slowing down speed you up?
No it doesn't.