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Each one of us needs to be loved unconditionally as babies. And if we are loved uncondtionally, we can move on to meeting our further developmental needs.
However if we are not loved unconditionally, we take these unmet needs into adulthood. And when such an early developmental need is not met, then it is likely further developmental needs will also not be met. And we will remain stunted all our lives.
But the interesting thing is that if we live in prosperous countries with a good food supply, our bodies will grow and develop while only our psyches will be stunted.
And in prosperous countries we get a second chance. If our mother or our parents or our carers were unable to love us unconditionally as babies, we get a second chance of unconditional love with a professional therapist.
So babies have a normal, narcissistic need to be loved unconditionally, but if this narcissistic need is not met, the unmet need can carry over into adulthood and the narcissistic personality.
1- disagree. at least, I think the need for altruism is few and far between. just because I'm not willing to die for my country does not mean I'm not a patriot. (bad example, I don't consider myself a patriot either lol)1- still needs altruism.
2- farmer and turnip.
3- I have a speech impediment that makes everything I say sound sarcastic.
4- Self-serving means to serve the self. If changing answers on subsequent tests isn't serving you, who or what is it serving.
5- ok.
6- example: "I mean, those with altruistic lifestyles, low self esteem, low ego or low self confidence usually don't get a whole lot done. "" just because you say "I mean" doesn't mean that the meaning of what you say gets changed. The statement sounds arrogant, and is a generalization against several groups of people.
While I agree that people who are not loved for themselves i.e. pushed by the American cultural standard to be loved for one's achievements, accomplishments, for "being special" ... and also being "cared for" by being bought things rather than spending time with the child, rather than just being loved for the essential person they are...can easily become narcissists.
I don't know what having enough food has to do with it, though. I think a person who has enough to eat could still be loved and taught real values by their parents, and be truly cared for in a psychological and spiritual manner as well as physical.
1- welcome to Narcissismville. Population: you.
3- the scientific name is humorous hilarious.
4- I find it amusing that you find accusations everywhere when I am simply stating facts.
6- Based. On. What.
I am unconvinced that I am a true narcissist for reasons that
1) I do not feel entitled to better treatment or gifts of any kind. that being said, I am rather disgusted when I receive poor service if I've paid money for it. I will not allow people to sell me short
2) I'm at least moderately empathetic and very affectionate
3) I enjoy finding out when I'm wrong. the problem is that so few people are willing to tell me or fail to point out specifically what is wrong (welcome to being enneatype 8 lol)
4) I have respect for people do frequently factor in their well being to my decisions as needed
5) while I do consider myself extremely superior it doesn't mean that I consider others inferior. they can do what they want, but I only accept the best and I intend to get it.
however, I will admit that I have a strongly narcissistic personality and I am now considering the possibiility of getting professionally evaluated for narcissism once I have sufficient capital
in regards to your other post, you have mentioned on the the exceptions in which I feel being altruistic is very crucial, and that's family. even then though, a mother benefits from raising a child on many levels, but lets just keep it simple and say that she loves her child and that feeling is very satisfying. also, raising a child is accepting responsibility for a decision to have kids usually. it has more to do with fullfilling responsibilities you've agreed to than altruism in most cases
Edit: in regards to point 5, there are a few exceptions to this that I struggle with as mentioned in a previous posts, but my overall philosophy is not that other people are inferior
On what grounds do you say that you are "extremely superior"? It seems on par with TG's statement that she's almost never wrong.
Or whats-her-name's assertion that she knows somehow (magically?) that I'm not altruistic or wouldn't retain my rational philosophical belief in social democracy if I were very wealthy?
Today isn't Sunday. It's Delusionalday.
NPD was associated with mental disability among men but not women. High co-occurrence rates of substance use, mood, and anxiety disorders and other personality disorders were observed. With additional comorbidity controlled for, associations with bipolar I disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder, and schizotypal and borderline personality disorders remained significant, but weakened, among men and women.
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Prevalence, correlates, disability, and comorbidity of DSM-IV narcissistic personality disorder: results from the wave 2 national epidemiologic survey on alcohol and related conditions.
Stinson FS, Dawson DA, Goldstein RB, Chou SP, Huang B, Smith SM, Ruan WJ, Pulay AJ, Saha TD, Pickering RP, Grant BF.
Laboratory of Epidemiology and Biometry, Division of Intramural Clinical and Biological Research, National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD 20892-9304, USA.
Abstract
OBJECTIVES: To present nationally representative findings on prevalence, sociodemographic correlates, disability, and comorbidity of narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) among men and women.
METHOD: Face-to-face interviews with 34,653 adults participating in the Wave 2 National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions conducted between 2004 and 2005 in the United States.
RESULTS: Prevalence of lifetime NPD was 6.2%, with rates greater for men (7.7%) than for women (4.8%). NPD was significantly more prevalent among black men and women and Hispanic women, younger adults, and separated/divorced/widowed and never married adults. NPD was associated with mental disability among men but not women. High co-occurrence rates of substance use, mood, and anxiety disorders and other personality disorders were observed. With additional comorbidity controlled for, associations with bipolar I disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder, and schizotypal and borderline personality disorders remained significant, but weakened, among men and women. Similar associations were observed between NPD and specific phobia, generalized anxiety disorder, and bipolar II disorder among women and between NPD and alcohol abuse, alcohol dependence, drug dependence, and histrionic and obsessive-compulsive personality disorders among men. Dysthymic disorder was significantly and negatively associated with NPD.
CONCLUSIONS: NPD is a prevalent personality disorder in the general U.S. population and is associated with considerable disability among men, whose rates exceed those of women. NPD may not be as stable as previously recognized or described in the DSM-IV. The results highlight the need for further research from numerous perspectives to identify the unique and common genetic and environmental factors underlying the disorder-specific associations with NPD observed in this study.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a mental illness
from what I've gathered so far, it seems like what seperates a healthy narcissistic personality from someone with narcissistic personality disorder is being unable or unwilling to think about other people at all and refusal or inability to value or respect other people. essentially, it sounds like a combination of healthy narcissism with antisocial personality disorder and touches of histrionic personality disorder.
Is Charlie Sheen a narcissist?
Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a mental illness while narcissistic personality is simply a personality.
And while those with Narcissistic Personality Disorder lead disordered lives, those with a narcissistic personality are often quite successful, like CEOs.
I think the problem is that Narcissistic Personality Disorder and narcissistic personality are almost the same words and so they are easily confused.
Hmm.. you know that's funny. Kind of a different topic, but I always thought that personality disorders are impossible to treat because it's like saying... "your personality is a big disorder, lets fix your personality" ... like trying to remove the disorder without changing the person's personality may be impossible. (Key phrase: "I always thought".. I'm not stating it as a fact.)
Each one of us needs to be loved unconditionally as babies. And if we are loved uncondtionally, we can move on to meeting our further developmental needs.
However if we are not loved unconditionally, we take these unmet needs into adulthood. And when such an early developmental need is not met, then it is likely further developmental needs will also not be met. And we will remain stunted all our lives.
But the interesting thing is that if we live in prosperous countries with a good food supply, our bodies will grow and develop while only our psyches will be stunted.
And in prosperous countries we get a second chance. If our mother or our parents or our carers were unable to love us unconditionally as babies, we get a second chance of unconditional love with a professional therapist.
So babies have a normal, narcissistic need to be loved unconditionally, but if this narcissistic need is not met, the unmet need can carry over into adulthood and the narcissistic personality.
I am unconvinced that I am a true narcissist for reasons that
1) I do not feel entitled to better treatment or gifts of any kind. that being said, I am rather disgusted when I receive poor service if I've paid money for it. I will not allow people to sell me short
2) I'm at least moderately empathetic and very affectionate
3) I enjoy finding out when I'm wrong. the problem is that so few people are willing to tell me or fail to point out specifically what is wrong (welcome to being enneatype 8 lol)
4) I have respect for people do frequently factor in their well being to my decisions as needed
5) while I do consider myself extremely superior it doesn't mean that I consider others inferior. they can do what they want, but I only accept the best and I intend to get it.
however, I will admit that I have a strongly narcissistic personality and I am now considering the possibiility of getting professionally evaluated for narcissism once I have sufficient capital
in regards to your other post, you have mentioned on the the exceptions in which I feel being altruistic is very crucial, and that's family. even then though, a mother benefits from raising a child on many levels, but lets just keep it simple and say that she loves her child and that feeling is very satisfying. also, raising a child is accepting responsibility for a decision to have kids usually. it has more to do with fullfilling responsibilities you've agreed to than altruism in most cases
Edit: in regards to point 5, there are a few exceptions to this that I struggle with as mentioned in a previous posts, but my overall philosophy is not that other people are inferior