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Well, yes. "Rebellious independent thinker" not only applies to me (and how my parents describe me), but also countless others (who may even be F types).
Well, yes. "Rebellious independent thinker" not only applies to me (and how my parents describe me), but also countless others (who may even be F types).
Yes, you do have proof. It's called evidence. How the hell do you think serial killers and rapists get locked up?:
"Hm.. I'm getting a rapey vibe off you..."
Of course not!
They have proof that links them back to the crime scene, and to other various murders (if any).
If you say shit like "
I could write a page detailing why I think you are a member of the illuminati- but by nature of it, I myself cannot prove it.", you're just being lazy. You do have proof that points towards functions, you just don't wanna find it.
[MENTION=23098]Captain_Invincible[/MENTION], you don’t really seem like an ESFP to me. You seem like you'd be a lot of fun to be around, so I can see why some might equate that with being an ESFP. But I get a definite "rebellious independent thinker" vibe from you. ENTP seems more fitting.
Yes, you do have proof. It's called evidence. How the hell do you think serial killers and rapists get locked up?:
"Hm.. I'm getting a rapey vibe off you..."
Of course not!
They have proof that links them back to the crime scene, and to other various murders (if any).
If you say shit like "
I could write a page detailing why I think you are a member of the illuminati- but by nature of it, I myself cannot prove it.", you're just being lazy. You do have proof that points towards functions, you just don't wanna find it.
I tried being an ENTP, didn't go very well. We don't really think alike.
All the evidence I have about you is circumstantial. If all the evidence I have is that you give off rapey vibes, and in order to prove that I scour your personal history until I find something out that when you were 12 you used to like playing Dr., sure I could come back to you with that evidence, pretend that it is conclusive, and we could all go about our day with everyone thinking you were something that you absolutely weren't, just because instead of drawing from something, I decided to draw something myself. To an extent this is fine, but if you are looking for a definite path- if you have a goal in mind, then no.
I will go beyond pure observation, state my thoughts, to the point where I am willing to go without turning it into a happenstance dance.
But yes, I get what you are saying- but people just generally will not take the risk- and don't really care much to. It is a large website, and many people here are trying to be typed- people like feeling right so they state 'fact' like it is their original opinion, and hope that no one points it out. No I didn't put much thought into your typing, because why would I? So you have to play along if you expect other people to play with you.
All the evidence I have about you is circumstantial. If all the evidence I have is that you give off rapey vibes, and in order to prove that I scour your personal history until I find something out that when you were 12 you used to like playing Dr., sure I could come back to you with that evidence, pretend that it is conclusive, and we could all go about our day with everyone thinking you were something that you absolutely weren't, just because instead of drawing from something, I decided to draw something myself.
I will go beyond pure observation, state my thoughts, to the point where I am willing to go without turning it into a happenstance dance.
But yes, I get what you are saying- but people just generally will not take the risk- and don't really care much to. It is a large website, and many people here are trying to be typed- people like feeling right so they state 'fact' like it is their original opinion, and hope that no one points it out. No I didn't put much thought into your typing, because why would I? So you have to play along if you expect other people to play with you.
As I said, I get what you are saying- but it doesn't change what actually goes on here. Yes, finding any sort of tangent will eventually lead to these tangents converging and a more probable outcome emerging- but you have to find a way, a balance, to get people to care enough to search- reward has to be greater than risk, and it has to seem worth their time to try.
I don't know what else there is to tell you, it is what it is. You can try to force change, but people will force back and all you will get is a fight.
It's not your fault, it's not their fault but eventually it will seem colored as one for the other.
As I said, I get what you are saying- but it doesn't change what actually goes on here. Yes, finding any sort of tangent will eventually lead to these tangents converging and a more probable outcome emerging- but you have to find a way, a balance, to get people to care enough to search- reward has to be greater than risk, and it has to seem worth their time to try.
I don't know what else there is to tell you, it is what it is. You can try to force change, but people will force back and all you will get is a fight.
I guess it's good just to collect data about how other people might perceive you. To make sure you see what you're putting out there.
But it's one reason why I rarely "type" people or celebrities... or at least I refuse to get into debates about it. It's a pointless discussion and for no real purpose, from my actual forming experiences. If someone asks me, and I actually know them (so I feel like I have some grasp of them), I'll tell them what I think but otherwise arguments about someone's type seem rather pointless to me.
Yes, you do have proof. It's called evidence. How the hell do you think serial killers and rapists get locked up?:
"Hm.. I'm getting a rapey vibe off you..."
Of course not!
They have proof that links them back to the crime scene, and to other various murders (if any).
If you say shit like "
I could write a page detailing why I think you are a member of the illuminati- but by nature of it, I myself cannot prove it.", you're just being lazy. You do have proof that points towards functions, you just don't wanna find it.
Typology is necessarily just categorizing characteristics, in this case characteristics of personality. Not all possible characteristics, but some very particular ones that are closely tied to how one generally thinks and reacts. In the case of MBTI, the characteristics specified are sorta-kinda like a skeleton of the personality. A real person is much more fleshed out, and can often seem to be an atypical member of their type.
My usual method of typing people is to explain the key characteristics of the typology to the person wanting to be typed, and they figure out for themselves where they fit in that. I don't use "evidence" to "deduce" or "prove" type. That's silly. You know far more about yourself than I ever will. I'd rather hand you the tools to make the judgment yourself than to judge you based on a few dozen posts.
I tried being an ENTP, didn't go very well. We don't really think alike.
In spite of what I wrote above, I do tend to make provisional assessments of type. Some people are just clearly one type or another, and their later self-analysis confirms that. Other people aren't so clearly one type or another, usually because they hide parts of themselves very well, and lots of different types do that so that cannot be used as evidence one way or another.
In your case, my first wild guess would be ENTP, from the way you argue about things. You are cautious about making assertions, but hold a strong belief in facts and logic: that's usually Ti. You very much enjoy banter here on the forum, and that tends to go with Ne or Se, but more likely Ne in your case. You seem assertive and outgoing in spite of your caution about making assertions, so that indicates extroversion. Put those observations together and that's ENTP. It's still just a wild guess. 108 posts (as of this writing) isn't enough to make a judgment on my part clear cut. I usually need to know someone much better than that to feel confident in my assessment. But if I met you in person, and had a few exchanges with you like the ones you've had on this forum, I'd use ENTP as a starting point, and work from there for corrections.
An alternative I considered was ENTJ, but your patterns of speech aren't assertive in the way that TJ speech is. You tend to talk around the main topic, never quite addressing it directly, but never quite abandoning it.
My typology tends to align with Dario Nardi's assessments as per EEG readings in his book The Neuroscience of Personality:
Extraverted Sensing (Se)Se types:
Show a “tennis hop†brain pattern.
Easily go “in the zone†in a crisis situation.
Quickly integrate body and sensory information.
Easily bored and need external stimulation.
Focus on literal or common interpretations.
Favor details that are dramatic or in motion.
The “tennis hop†brain pattern is one in which all regions of neocortex out low amplitude and out of sync. This is an effective state that requires little energy while the shifting frequencies allow the brain to quickly direct whichever regions are needed for a surprise, incoming task.
Introverted Sensing (Si) Si types:
Brain activity reflects their background, training, and job expertise.
Get “in the zone†when reviewing past events.
Tend towards rote memorization, repetition, and in-depth reviews of daily events—all habits that help them burn new neural pathways.
Good at recalling information without a context and recalling kinship data.
Favor T5, which processes social feedback and T6, that helps us consider the future.
So Si seems to lead to reinforcement and specialization over time. ISTJs and ISFJs are both visual (favor O1 and/or O2). ISxJs favor Fp2 over Fp1, while ESxJs do the opposite.
Extraverted Intuiting (Ne) Ne types:
Often show a “Christmas Tree†pattern.
Often experience creative highs.
Provide fast, creative responses (sometimes too creative)
Find it difficult to get “in the zone,†and can do so only after practicing and internalizing an activity over weeks, months, or years.
Use regions that support imagination.
A “Christmas Tree†pattern is one in which the neocortex is active all over, each region is of high amplitude and out-of-sync with others. This pattern indicates cross-contextual thinking. This pattern is also very energy intensive, and may produce distractions and contradictions.
Introverted Intuiting (Ni) Ni Types:
Show a whole brain, zen-like pattern
Show this pattern when they attack an unfamiliar, novel pattern.
Their zen state works best when focusing on a single question, without distraction.
Enter the zen state when ask to envision the future.
Usually benefit from a sensory focus
Their whole-brain, zen-like pattern occurs when all regions of the neocortex are in sync and dominated by brain waves that are medium-low frequency and very high-amplitude. Other types only show this pattern when they engage in their specific area of expertise, unlike Ni-ers, who also show it when tackling a new problem. ENxJs usually benefit from a physical or sensory focus. NJs tend to be generalists compared to their SJs cousins.
Extraverted Thinking (Te) Te types:
Show most efficient use of mental energy as they rely on evidence-based decision-making.
Rely on T3, O1, C3 and Fp1. Tend to use other areas very little, even on tasks that would normally invoke them.
Rely on measurably sensory information
Focus on goals and stimulated by task completion and error correction.
Tend to move to action before accurate or what-if processing, so quick efficiency can become a pitfall.
Show high activity in F8, which handles deeply felt personal values, often expressed negatively.
Female Te types show more diverse brain activity and are more responsive to social feedback.
IXTJs are more visual, attentive to tone of voice, and focus on implementation detail over quick decision-making. ESTJS attend more to details, are more open to brainstorming, and listen intently to authority figures. ENTJs can enter a creative mode similar to INTJs.
Introverted Thinking (Ti) Ti types:
Show high use of four regions that afford complex logical reasoning: F3, F4, P3, P4
Use F3 to linearly derive solutions. (highest for ESTPs followed by INTPs)
Use F4 to categorize and define concepts. (highest for INTPs, followed by ESTPs)
Use P3 to integrate visual-kinesthetic data. (highest for ISTPs then ENTPs)
Use P4 to holistically weigh numerous pros and cons of many uncertain or risky factors. (highest for ENTPs followed by ISTPs)
Above regions are located away from direct sensory contact, so have a “deep†or “detached†quality.
Tend to enter a dissociated state when arguing or meeting someone new. In this state, theirneocortex shuts out raw emotions in order to enjoy objectivity.
Least interested in listening.
Engage the above regions + Fp1 and Fp2 when examining a topic from multiple angles and integrating the angles into a coherent way.
INTPs are likely to quickly stop listening as they assess the relevance of what others are saying.
Extraverted Feeling (Fe) Fe types:
Focus on social responsibility.
Stimulated by communicating their explanations and decisions.
Use Fp1 to suppress emotional impulses from deep in the brain in favor of sophisticated cognitive responses.
Use Fp2 less, so may sometimes suddenly switch from highly composed to very angry.
Use F5 a lot, which helps them adjust to social feedback.
ExFJs show high activity in T3, but least activity in visual regions O1 and O2. ESFJs are more left-brained, high in C3 and F7. ENFJs are might right-brained, showing high activity in F4 and T4.
Introverted Feeling (Fi) Fi types:
Are consummate listeners who listen in a holistic way.
INFPs can deeply listen for up to 10 minutes at a time, ISFPs listen briefly and then move to action.
Show high activity in T3 and T4, which handle language.
Carefully compose their own speech, attending to both content and delivery.
Show high activity in F8, and are stimulated by rankings of importance.
Show the least activity in interior regions that aid logic.
Rely on left-brained (Fp1) decision making.
INFPs may get to the core of a person’s psychology by listening for so long. INFPs are less likely to defend their own views or take action, though when they stop listening, region Fp1 becomes very active as they make a strong (and perhaps final) decision. ISFPs are attentive when others withhold information (like social feedback).
Take a close look at the Ne and Ti descriptions. Yeah, they're still kind of vague. These are skeletons of personality, not descriptions of people.
I guess it's good just to collect data about how other people might perceive you. To make sure you see what you're putting out there.
But it's one reason why I rarely "type" people or celebrities... or at least I refuse to get into debates about it. It's a pointless discussion and for no real purpose, from my actual forming experiences. If someone asks me, and I actually know them (so I feel like I have some grasp of them), I'll tell them what I think but otherwise arguments about someone's type seem rather pointless to me.