A Study of two female INTJs as it regards their tert function
Ok, I was actually looking for this for a different thread, but I think it fits better here.
Can you honestly tell me that this person has Fe? Her morality is so Fi...in fact, while I'm not an Objectivist by any stretch of the imagination, I completely agree with what she says about love at 7:02 - 7:15. So unbelievably Fi. I could happily quote what she says there.
[YOUTUBE="7ukJiBZ8_4k"]A famous INTJ who absolutely did not have Fe[/YOUTUBE]
Thanks for that! I think it was Alan Greenspan that said she was his mentor...? :horor: Why couldn't we then see it sooner?
Anyway, a few thoughts. She's definitely not emotionally healthy. Her eyes are way too flitty--something is going on there. You can get away with some neurotic behavior for a while when you are young, but as you age, if you continue the neurotic behavior, you will develop physical manifestations of it, namely as nervous ticks. So she's not a healthy example of an INTJ, imo. Furthermore, Wikipedia describes her as having used amphetamines to work long hours writing, and "Her continued use of it for several decades also may have contributed to volatile mood swings observed by her associates in later years.[39]" So anything construed from this example, can only show what an
unhealthy INTJ would look like, but an interesting study nonetheless (more interesting probably than a study of a healthy INTJ). That being said, she definitely needs to work on her Fe.
I agree that she is exhibiting Fi in the tert position. The
Lenore Thompson Wiki goes into good detail about Fi, and how Fi looks in each position, the dom/aux/tert, but I'm not sure the model she/they used to assess that information, so I'm not sure of it's accuracy. For example, were they looking at how Fi looks in an INFP, and an ENFP, the Fi descriptions might be accurate, but if there is some question to the tert orientation, looking at Fi in a normal INTJ might give skewed data versus looking at Fi tert in a norml ENTP.
Which leads us to ask why. Why does Ayn Rand introvert Fi to an unhealthy degree? Are we seeing the
extra-intraverted Fi of a 'normal' INTJ, or is it Fi gone awry? Fi that should have been Fe?
Her past is illuminating somewhat. Eldest of three children. Father was a pharmacist. Nonpracticing Jews. She came of age during the Russian Revolution and saw the rise of the Bolshevik party; her father's pharmacy was taken over by the Soviets and they had to flee the country. So this gives a bit of background for her anti-communist/anti-government capitalist ideals.
She graduated from high school in the Crimea and briefly held a job teaching Red Army soldiers to read. She found she enjoyed that work very much, the illiterate soldiers being eager to learn and respectful of her.
--wikipedia. I don't glean much Fe there at all, except for liking to teach the soldiers to read. That's pretty Fe, but more in a being-revered, possibly hinting at some Messiah complex kind of way.
So, perhaps in all that she had to do to survive during a war situation and communist take-over, she became more introverted. Then entered university and got turned on to Aristotle and Plato and Nietzsche and others who showed her that within her own powerful mind (Ni/Te) was the only true way to find solace. Perhaps not. She became a writer and ended up in Hollywood.
Maybe the so-called INTJ evil masterminds are the ones who DO use Fi, and don't extravert enough with Fe; that with an incredibly strong Ni, using another introverted function could tip one way over into imbalance, whereas those with more moderate or mild Ni could buffer more easily extra dips into introversion without becoming unbalanced. Perhaps strong Ni acts as a magnet on T or F, pulling one or both of them into an introverted orientation when T or F don't take care to extravert to the world to balance heavy Ni out.
I explain this Magnet idea thus: A strong Ni (as in Ayn) might be such a relief from the outside world that instead of leaving one's own mental space, one simply, over time, pulls the weaker function away from the world with it and into it, enveloping it and bastardizing it in an incestuous way. As time goes by, less and less of the outer world enters in, and when it does it is so anathema to the internal solace that it is quickly rejected, making for increasing pychosis, ironically unobserved by the party in question. Which then lends an untouchable aire to him/her; a self-righteous indignation that can't be touched by mortals anymore, leaving one to eventually die alone and forgotten by others (which was apparently the case with Ayn).
So, great unhealthy example of INTJ. Love it. I love studying types.
I think a good example of a healthy INTJ that is an uncannily parallel example as well, is
Brooksley Born, who Protean turned me on to in another thread. She rocks. I say "uncannily" because it was her that tried to blow the whistle on the whole lack of government oversight when it came to the derivatives market, which in large part, led to the current Recession. So, in effect, this would be the Arch Enemy of Ayn Rand. How fitting is that? They even look alike!
as a perhaps intersting aside, my bio mom is an intj and looks exactly like both these women too
[YOUTUBE="NsqSY3xVIkw"]Brooksley Born[/YOUTUBE]
I recommend the entire Frontline episode, but here are some snippets where you can get a feel of her tert Fe, imo.
1:20
4:30
9:20
Throughout the Frontline episode (my only study of B.B.), it is apparent to me, through her presence in interviews and pictures, and by her actions in her work that she is not only true to logical reasoning, but to a broader context of living as well; she understands appropriate behavior, and uses it at all times, according to what society demands, and the Highest of societies, Congress. Even when the fate of the American people are hanging in the balance! Because she understood that if she kept pressing, even after she was fired, kept spreading the word of evil and wronged principles (Fi), that she would alienate further those that did not wish to be saved, and that she could do no good in that realm. So, always the lady, always appropriate, she backs down and accepts that she had done all she could and that with the proper protocol denied her, her hands are tied.