the state i am in
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Ne = ideas essentially. How are INFPs less idea based?
cognitive functions are based on a developmental notion (over time) that there is a dominant function and then an auxilary function.
for infj, the dominant is a perceiving function based on constructing ideas in the imagination. for infp, the dominant is using feeling tones, subjective values, emotional experiences, to weigh and prioritize judgment. your ne is not your dominant function, it works in accordance with the wishes of Fi. you are not an Enfp. they (dominant Ne) are far more idea based than infp (although as Ne far more tangible and less abstract than Ni).
No not really. I'm always on the look out for someone not being genuine or lying.
the only thing you are saying is that you find me to be wrong, bad, immoral and inauthentic based on my ideas not jiving with your subjective values. you don't attempt to meet me and explain your perspective in terms of ideas. you are calling ideas generalizations (which they are, it is the nature of representational language and abstraction), and make no attempt to understand (map out) the complexities that would make these ideas accurate or inaccurate. in response you just say, i don't like the way you are trying to make me feel. i don't trust you, etc.
BTW INFP's are ideas based too, Values are based on ideas and concepts, that why we get called idealistic.
We react first then break down the idea. I see your intentions aren't bad, but I think you have read too many profiles.
i appreciate your feedback. i agree that ideas play a large part in the life of an infp. but, as stated above, it is far different. your values, feelings, internal resonances of emotion, etc, give birth to your ideas. ideas are an accessory to that, which, when the ideas are insightful, create a very impacting and explosively artistic type. but when they are not, they close out anything that does not fit with them.
I would say, that I would not worry too much about which specific type you are in relation to art, except to help you recognize your strengths and weaknesses and thus to act as a starting point.
this is exactly what i am trying to do. the insight i had felt very disillusioning at first, but i'm putting myself back together and re-arranging my values to fit with my ideas (what i view to be true, accurate, the best information i have available). and trying to merge my own (mal?)lingering desires, dreams, etc in line with what i feel like i can, ought, hope to do from here.
I don't think being INFP makes one communicate emotion through art better than another type; in fact, it can sometimes be a hindrance that keeps you from seeing the forest for the trees...
it totally depends on the medium and the perspective of the art. i was wallowing in self-pity bc... the TREES, the TREES. i know i see the forest. it is my greatest skill. but i felt disappointed and waxing nostalgic for a past that never existed bc i wanted to see the TREES, to look up at them from below and climb them with my eyes, to swing on the branches from limb to limb, to crash my flying kite into them and throw frisbees around them on frolf courses all across the land. etc.
i also think it pertinent to mention that i understand infp generally doesn't like to be categorized by an objective idea that undermines or limits/clarifies its intentionally fuzzy boundaries in a way that threatens its subjective values and internally held beliefs, but i want to better understand this (which is the whole point of the thread in the first place).