Entropic
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- Aug 20, 2012
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- MBTI Type
- INTJ
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- 8w9
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- sx/so
I agree with regards to the spelling which is why it is something that has always annoyed me about my own typing.
You accused me of being logically fallacious. And because I feel any straightforward reading of my posts in this thread would/should render that kind of accusation absurd (I even state that my ideas are controversial...as in...'I would be super surprised if anyone shared my opinion')...
Why is it absurd for me to propose that I do not agree with the logic which your argument is founded upon? I have absolutely no problem taking part of controversial ideas. In fact, I'd argue I can myself be rather controversial with regards to my own thinking, but being controversial doesn't mean it cannot be logical and vice versa. Nor does it mean that a controversial idea is automatically logical just because it's controversial.
my mind automatically starts to account for why you would arrive at such a conclusion.
Then let me reformulate myself again:
You claim that 6s are of more value to society than 5s, and I point out that this is not true. 5s and 6s both contribute to society, but the way they do so is fundamentally different. Just because you cannot appreciate the way the 5 operates and what kind of use they bring to society, it does not mean they are in fact useless. That's personal bias on your part, and a statement I cannot agree with.
To support this argument, I mention that many 5s have helped to achieve societal progress in various fields, sciences and philosophy being the two fields I cited, although type 5s are of course not limited to these fields only. The thoughts presented by 5s have in turn helped us to further our understaning of how the universe operates at large, which has bi-effects such as improving the living standards we for instance see today.
In summary, just because you cannot always visibly and tangibly see the results of type 5's knowledge-seek, it doesn't mean it's not there or that it doesn't contribute.
Most often when I see this kind of misunderstanding occur it is because the other person has some sort of stake in the matter.
And what stake would that be?
And is moved to act rather than seek clarification by an emotional response that 'stake' creates within them.
Such as?
While I cannot be certain...I certainly cannot rule out that that is what happened with you.
Seeing that your comment specifically referenced e5s...it appeared to me that you may have been insulted in that regard.
Perhaps, but even if this is true, how does it invalidate the primary argument I'm raising against you? For the record, I would have argued exactly the same point had you said that type 9 is better than type 3, or type 2 better than type 1. No type is better than the other. They are simply different. My argument applies beyond type labels.
Which if this is so I completely understand. If you find my opinion offensive...browse the site. I have been here for some time and for every 1 semi-negative opinion held against an e5...I'm quite certain you will find 1,936,458,023 wholly-negative opinions held against e7s. None of this, however, magically turns my opinion into something that is logically fallacious.
I fail to see the validity of this argument. Just because others have made the same fallacious claim it doesn't mean it's suddenly logically correct. Stating that it is correct is by itself a logical fallacy which specifically falls under the appeal to popularity.
Speaking of logical fallacy though...
Did you know that only 1 out of every 10 INTJs recognizes that they are, in fact, 6w5 as opposed to 5w4 or 5w6? Do you know why this is? I do.
I fail to see how this has anything to do with logic or logical fallacy. Logical fallacies are specific errors of reasoning, and for instance mistyping your enneatype core has nothing to do with logic. That has to do with self-awareness and understanding of theory. Yes, you need to apply some kind of reasoning process in order to understand yourself and properly apply the theory to understand yourself, but this doesn't mean that mistyping means your logic was flawed. It could equally indicate lack of information at the time.
Anyway, do share why you think 1/10 INTJs mistype as 5s when they are 6s. I think in fact most people who type as INTJs to begin with aren't INTJs but an entirely different type all together for most of the part. The most common mistype seem to be Si dominants who mistype themselves as Ni dominants because they do not understand the differences between Si and Ni. Then you have INFJs who perceive themselves as Thinkers so they mistype themselves as such.
I also think most people who type as type 5 are incorrectly typed, as there seems to be a general misunderstanding of how type 5 operates and what type 5 is about.
But that's of course, my personal opinion on the matter. See, I have absolutely no problem being controversial. If you will challenge me on my claims, I will however back it up with logic.