BTW, I didn't add because its really just a personal opinion and not OT (well with a stretch.. maybe) its never going to stop no matter what the labels. The ones here who know the MB definitions will just quit discussing as its pointless and others will use bits and pieces ... buzz words... from MB to fight the same battles. Just seems people always need to think of someone as being better or less than in some way. Of course, there are egalitarians out there but I haven't seen many here.