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I couldn't find an Ayn Rand typing thread so I'm starting one. Keep in mind that comments about Ayn Rand being evil or whatever are off-topic.
It is commonly thought that Rand was an INTJ. After all, even her closest followers called her Mrs. Logic. Unfortunately, I don't see logic as being necessarily associated with a particular type. Developing a philosophical system is not relevant to the INTJ type.
I have read biographies of Ayn Rand and read most of her books. So my evidence comes from reading about Rand. Read Socionics Types: IEI-INFp
"[T]hey sometimes can be prophetic, prescient, and profound in their visions, and sometimes reflect a far more rebellious, aggressive, or outspoken demeanor."
Ayn Rand was a visionary. INTJs are not visionaries. She rebelled against the mainstream of thought.
"Often IEIs exhibit a dreamy and gentle demeanor. They can come across as fickle, indecisive and vapid, and their fantasies can be often esoteric; they often may seem idealistic and focused on unrealistic or other-worldly utopias."
Her ideals and ideas are often considered to be unrealistic because she dreamed of an ideal capitalistic utopian world.
"IEIs typically have richly developed mental landscapes. They are highly attuned to trends, patterns, and conceptual connections of past behaviors, experiences, relationships, and their role in the world." She drew connections between trends/patterns and philosophical concepts. Her political writings show all of these inclinations. She drew connections between past conditions into the present, and then into the future.
Which Subtype? Intuitive versus Ethical. Most likely she was the Intuitive subtype.
Socionics Types: IEI-INFp Subtypes
"The intuitive subtype appears as a calm, tactful, languid and diffident individual."
That sounds like Howard Roark and John Galt.
"He seems torn from reality, inert and poorly adapted to life."
Ayn Rand never learned how to drive a car. She let her cats claw up her furniture.
"Usually does not aspire to leadership and finds it difficult and tiring to handle organizational functions." Yes, which is why she allowed Nathaniel Branden to make all the calls, although he had to pass them through her first.
"Gravitates more towards intellectual sphere of activity than towards hands-on management and production." Right.
"Exhibits tolerance towards the flaws and weaknesses of others." Yes. However, those "others" had to show some kind of outstanding achievements in order for her to forgive their flaws and weaknesses.
"Does not break immediately those relationships that have been exhausted for he grows used to people." This is true to an extent. But she would immediately break relationships with those she felt had betrayed her trust.
"IEIs often have a keen interest in interpreting their surroundings in terms of logical categories." This is probably one reason some think she was an INTJ. But that is just the Ti-tertiary of the INFJ.
One thing that's always bothered me about the INTJ call is the V.I. aspect: Rand's large eyes. INTJs just don't have eyes that large.
It is commonly thought that Rand was an INTJ. After all, even her closest followers called her Mrs. Logic. Unfortunately, I don't see logic as being necessarily associated with a particular type. Developing a philosophical system is not relevant to the INTJ type.
I have read biographies of Ayn Rand and read most of her books. So my evidence comes from reading about Rand. Read Socionics Types: IEI-INFp
"[T]hey sometimes can be prophetic, prescient, and profound in their visions, and sometimes reflect a far more rebellious, aggressive, or outspoken demeanor."
Ayn Rand was a visionary. INTJs are not visionaries. She rebelled against the mainstream of thought.
"Often IEIs exhibit a dreamy and gentle demeanor. They can come across as fickle, indecisive and vapid, and their fantasies can be often esoteric; they often may seem idealistic and focused on unrealistic or other-worldly utopias."
Her ideals and ideas are often considered to be unrealistic because she dreamed of an ideal capitalistic utopian world.
"IEIs typically have richly developed mental landscapes. They are highly attuned to trends, patterns, and conceptual connections of past behaviors, experiences, relationships, and their role in the world." She drew connections between trends/patterns and philosophical concepts. Her political writings show all of these inclinations. She drew connections between past conditions into the present, and then into the future.
Which Subtype? Intuitive versus Ethical. Most likely she was the Intuitive subtype.
Socionics Types: IEI-INFp Subtypes
"The intuitive subtype appears as a calm, tactful, languid and diffident individual."
That sounds like Howard Roark and John Galt.
"He seems torn from reality, inert and poorly adapted to life."
Ayn Rand never learned how to drive a car. She let her cats claw up her furniture.
"Usually does not aspire to leadership and finds it difficult and tiring to handle organizational functions." Yes, which is why she allowed Nathaniel Branden to make all the calls, although he had to pass them through her first.
"Gravitates more towards intellectual sphere of activity than towards hands-on management and production." Right.
"Exhibits tolerance towards the flaws and weaknesses of others." Yes. However, those "others" had to show some kind of outstanding achievements in order for her to forgive their flaws and weaknesses.
"Does not break immediately those relationships that have been exhausted for he grows used to people." This is true to an extent. But she would immediately break relationships with those she felt had betrayed her trust.
"IEIs often have a keen interest in interpreting their surroundings in terms of logical categories." This is probably one reason some think she was an INTJ. But that is just the Ti-tertiary of the INFJ.
One thing that's always bothered me about the INTJ call is the V.I. aspect: Rand's large eyes. INTJs just don't have eyes that large.