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[ENFP] Crazy Mood Swings in Relationship/Ultimatums

kimela

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He smothers me with love and the moment we get home from vacation, starts yelling at me about the extra stuff on the floor that I didn't have time to organise prior to the trip. I have a lot of filing/organizing, reimbursements etc to process and it's impossible to plan all his plane tickets etc (cause he is lazy to do it), work my job, commute,and magically organise all my home stuff in one shot too. He just screamed he is moving out in a month and wants me to throw away most of my clothing. He won't go looking at larger homes so that we can actually have some space to live in. What do I do to not be screamed at? I don't have time to address the organising all at once. Trying to do a little bit every day but weekends are fully booked with out of town weddings/conferences this month.
 

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This guy sounds like a sick bastard.


Um...I can relate to showering a SO with love on a vacation and from the depths of my soul hating the return to the mundane. Which is why I make sure I have something to look forward to going back...however small...I know this about myself that I need to have this kind of thing in place. <-But not because I fear I might start yelling at my SO for not having the mundane in perfect order...only because I don't want to be moody mourning the death of a vacation because that is a stupid way to go through life.

Basically, if he is ENFP and behaving in the way you describe these are his own issues that have very simple fixes. Why you are putting up with his abuse completely escapes me. If someone like this threatened to move out in a month I would gladly help him pack.
 

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Good insight

*that is very helpful to know he is mourning the vacation/mundane return. I do love him and do NOT want to go through finding someone else. (Age and unstable job situation means I need something stable in my life)
Thank you for supporting me. I can certainly try to plan something fun right after we return. He is still mourning a loss of a parent and it has worsened the mood swings.
As an aside, I also have trouble with the sudden instant introvert problem.
minute 1: kisskiss lovelove youare the best
minute 2: why are you talking to me I'm doing my own thing (on Facebook/news/instagram) (angry)
Literally this changes in the space of a minute.




Um...I can relate to showering a SO with love on a vacation and from the depths of my soul hating the return to the mundane. Which is why I make sure I have something to look forward to going back...however small...I know this about myself that I need to have this kind of thing in place. <-But not because I fear I might start yelling at my SO for not having the mundane in perfect order...only because I don't want to be moody mourning the death of a vacation because that is a stupid way to go through life.

Basically, if he is ENFP and behaving in the way you describe these are his own issues that have very simple fixes. Why you are putting up with his abuse completely escapes me. If someone like this threatened to move out in a month I would gladly help him pack.[/QUOTE]
 

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Get help or get out. That's the point you have to reach with him, until you do, discussion is pointless. It has nearly nothing to do with him being an ENFP.
 

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*that is very helpful to know he is mourning the vacation/mundane return. I do love him and do NOT want to go through finding someone else. (Age and unstable job situation means I need something stable in my life)
Thank you for supporting me. I can certainly try to plan something fun right after we return. He is still mourning a loss of a parent and it has worsened the mood swings.
As an aside, I also have trouble with the sudden instant introvert problem.
minute 1: kisskiss lovelove youare the best
minute 2: why are you talking to me I'm doing my own thing (on Facebook/news/instagram) (angry)
Literally this changes in the space of a minute.


Wait...no, no. From what I have read here I got the sense you were already doing everything...I was not attempting to support you by adding "plan things my spouse can look forward to upon his return from vacation so he doesn't yell at me" to your plate as well.

I do think I was being insensitive to the fact that this is a marriage though and not merely a living together boyfriend/girlfriend situation and for that I apologize.

Have you been able to talk with him about these things? Share your feelings? The situation has no chance of improving in a somewhat timely fashion if all you do is dance around his outbursts and take on more tasks...
 

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  1. Why do you want him to stop?
  2. When did it start? Why?
  3. Have you asked?
[MENTION=10714]Qlip[/MENTION]
 

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Fuuu... @_@

Some really, very serious conversations need to be had. This hot/cold behavior is NOT normal for ENFPs--because it isn't normal for anyone to do. Just yelling at a spouse is not respectful behavior, it's a lack of self control in one's own anger.

I can be very hot/cold at times, but it is pretty predictable when I am--like, first thing when I wake up on my first day off, I always chill tf out and do my own thing. I'm not ready to jump into being-with-spouse time yet. I need to be in my own headspace for a little while.. But, after I go to practice, do something physical, I come home and I am just fine. I also have no problem simply telling my SO that's what I'm doing.

It sounds like a lot more communication needs to be happening, and you are both going to have to rise to the occasion because this sort of thing can lead to emotional exhaustion and resentment.
 

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Thank you for the clarification. He seems to think that he is justified in being harsh and angry because we he has gotten in my case about it intermittently for a few years. I just need big blocks of time to do such things and that comes so rarely. I do make efforts which he doesn't really credit. He is also a mess with organisation and mundane things, has to be reminded a million times to do anything not fun or interesting
 

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[MENTION=10714]Qlip[/MENTION]


Because it is hurtful and discouraging to me when he kicks me when I am down. I am a child of abuse so everything hurts more. For the last couple of years he tells when tired and something of mine like laundry or papers is out on the floor.
 

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when the man says bend over backwards, you bend over backwards. or else. what is the confusion here.
 

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Because it is hurtful and discouraging to me when he kicks me when I am down. I am a child of abuse so everything hurts more. For the last couple of years he tells when tired and something of mine like laundry or papers is out on the floor.

I'm no psychic, but this does not surprise me, given your OP. I advise what ceecee said.
 

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Wait...no, no. From what I have read here I got the sense you were already doing everything...I was not attempting to support you by adding "plan things my spouse can look forward to upon his return from vacation so he doesn't yell at me" to your plate as well. I do think I was being insensitive to the fact that this is a marriage though and not merely a living together boyfriend/girlfriend situation and for that I apologize. Have you been able to talk with him about these things? Share your feelings? The situation has no chance of improving in a somewhat timely fashion if all you do is dance around his outbursts and take on more tasks...

Thank you for saying that, ok no need to apologize. Yes of course more at stake it being a marriage. It just feels like he is such a childlike tantrum thrower that I have to do preventive things. I have to pack food so he doesn't get hangry; he is borderline paralysed when it comes to planning his own sustenance. Yes I told him it is not ok to yell at bedtime but he thinks oh I am angry I am justified. I come up with plans of action and he just keeps yelling.
 

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Thank you for the clarification. He seems to think that he is justified in being harsh and angry because we he has gotten in my case about it intermittently for a few years. I just need big blocks of time to do such things and that comes so rarely. I do make efforts which he doesn't really credit. He is also a mess with organisation and mundane things, has to be reminded a million times to do anything not fun or interesting


Have you ever said..."Honey, these current systems we have in place clearly aren't working. Let's order take out tonight and start the process of brainstorming some new approaches?"
 

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Thank you for saying that, ok no need to apologize. Yes of course more at stake it being a marriage. It just feels like he is such a childlike tantrum thrower that I have to do preventive things. I have to pack food so he doesn't get hangry; he is borderline paralysed when it comes to planning his own sustenance. Yes I told him it is not ok to yell at bedtime but he thinks oh I am angry I am justified. I come up with plans of action and he just keeps yelling.


Whoops I'm not sure what I just responded to. Umm...please tell me he is doing something helpful...jesus. You know none of this sounds good...like it's not okay for him to treat you this way.
Anyway...this isn't really the kind of discussion I was inquiring about. Like, constructive, problem-solving stuff. <-negotiations (something that isn't just you trying to figure stuff out).


edit: the two of you should look into relationship counseling
 

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I do love him and do NOT want to go through finding someone else. (Age and unstable job situation means I need something stable in my life)

[MENTION=33668]kimela[/MENTION]

This is actually YOUR main problem here. This co-dependency. Instead of attempting to problem solve or pacify HIS behavior, work toward gaining some independence. I'm not saying leave him yet but start getting your shit together to do so. That way you have the means to leave or stay on YOUR terms.

If you are a child of abuse, you can take a lot of shit thinking its the natural order of things. "At least he doesn't hit me." that kind of thinking is fucked up. As if that is a decent baseline!!
 

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Do you have access to individual counseling? I know it was helpful to me during relationship struggles. I agree that couples counseling could be good if he is willing to go, but it can be helpful to have someone confidential to talk to about your own feelings to get your own head clear.
Regardless of what happens relationally it is helpful to get one's own self esteem stronger. I managed to leave one relationship that was painful for me but my self esteem was not great from childhood abuse and I ended up in being treated worse in the next relationship. This is why I value including a focus on feeling better and stronger individually and building a support system that includes a counselor.
I'm sorry to hear you are experiencing this negative behavior from your husband. That is on him and results from his own failings and limitations. You deserve to be respected and treated with kindness consistently.
:hugs:
 

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[MENTION=33668]kimela[/MENTION]

This is actually YOUR main problem here. This co-dependency. Instead of attempting to problem solve or pacify HIS behavior, work toward gaining some independence. I'm not saying leave him yet but start getting your shit together to do so. That way you have the means to leave or stay on YOUR terms.

If you are a child of abuse, you can take a lot of shit thinking its the natural order of things. "At least he doesn't hit me." that kind of thinking is fucked up. As if that is a decent baseline!!

I wonder...if that's what someone in these shoes wants to hear. Judging by the existence of this thread. Inclined towards no.
 

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I wonder...if that's what someone in these shoes wants to hear. Judging by the existence of this thread. Inclined towards no.

There are plenty of other responses that hit their needed marks that I agreed with. Why should I repeat that? This one needed to be hit, too.

I think living with someone who doesn't treat you with respect is much more harsh and damaging than my telling someone to start building a way out of inter-dependance so that their freedom of choice takes precedence instead.

I suppose I could have told them to keep wishing something will change...harder. That if they just twist the key a little to the left, the door to anothers love will open in the manner they prefer. In the meantime, what happens if that doesn't work? Why not give yourself more leverage in the situation? I don't blow smoke.
 

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He smothers me with love and the moment we get home from vacation, starts yelling at me about the extra stuff on the floor that I didn't have time to organise prior to the trip. I have a lot of filing/organizing, reimbursements etc to process and it's impossible to plan all his plane tickets etc (cause he is lazy to do it), work my job, commute,and magically organise all my home stuff in one shot too. He just screamed he is moving out in a month and wants me to throw away most of my clothing. He won't go looking at larger homes so that we can actually have some space to live in. What do I do to not be screamed at? I don't have time to address the organising all at once. Trying to do a little bit every day but weekends are fully booked with out of town weddings/conferences this month.
Wow, not type related at all.

Predictably, my answer to your question would be that to leave the guy is one way to end the screaming. But I've been in situations like that and can relate to how paralyzing they can be even though my experiences weren't even half as enmeshed as this sounds like (it sounds like it sucks!). One thing we can still do, though, even when we feel stuck and unable to take action, is use our imaginations. If it's like that for you right now, imagine what it would be like to live with a person rarely or never yells - not because of anything you did or did not do, but because they just don't want to do it. They don't like to do it - just like you. Hell, that person could be yourself - how good and stable we are as our own company can come as a surprise, even a shock. IDK how this sounds to you, but hope it sounds lovely.

Imagining of course won't change the situation, but then again, it can morph into something that does have that capability, and fortunately oneself can help it do that. Whether as fast as a forum thread or longer but hopefully not too much longer, and whether what puts an end to this situation is to leave or something else, I hope your loveliest thoughts do that for you.

Why you are putting up with his abuse completely escapes me. If someone like this threatened to move out in a month I would gladly help him pack.

EDIT: Saw you clarified where this was coming from after more information, and actually take a different stance. Can totally understand the surprise you were coming from here!

I don't find it confusing. Different people will do vastly different things in different situations, that are based on vastly different reasoning and lead to vastly different results (e.g. harm or relief). Decisions can be evaluated by their logic and their results, but that process isn't the same as whether they're emotionally understandable. Because in this system, unlike the logic it is distinct from, they all are - to leave is (as distinct from how it would end the harm), to stay is (as distinct from how it would not end the harm), and even to abuse is (as distinct from it being wrong as fuck). That's my personal concept of it - that the painful and the empowering ones are in terms of the same basic emotions we're all capable of, so one can't be comprehensible while another isn't. That the most painful things we do are still comprehensible is exactly the reason why they suck, and why life on earth sucks (although it is also so much more). The number of "why"s we could come up with by combining these emotions in different ways could go on for literal days, but this is about OP's own reason to stay or go.

IME, the most helpful thoughts when I am down about things I put up with for too long in the past are along the lines of:

"What you did made sense within your personal context, and in the context of humanity. But anything would, so why not relax about that and pick an approach for next time that on top of that brings you more happiness and relief, and perhaps puts a nice sharp boot heel into harmful crap like what they did. How about this one? Let's do it together (self alongside self, as this all is said while talking to oneself)."

A neat thing about that approach is how while it doesn't reference or explicitly try to sort out the logical and practical differences between one approach and another, somehow the desirable results and logical solidity just kind of congeal on their own as a byproduct.

I wonder...if that's what someone in these shoes wants to hear. Judging by the existence of this thread. Inclined towards no.
Hearing other people say what they themselves want or feel, over and over throughout a lifetime, is precisely what wears people down to the point that these situations become difficult to escape.

While it is a truth that what someone in OP's situations does and when they do it is ultimately up to them, stating it this way negates the message of autonomy.
 
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