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Your Ideal body

Kullervo

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I would go with BF% over BMI any day, although that's not always accurate either. I have the body fat of an athlete apparently but the truth is that I'm just scrawny lol.
Do they? I didn't know that but I guess it makes sense. Must be why all my mom's Viet friends think I'm part Asian ahaha.

I thought man average was 5"7 so you're pretty up there!

I have become quite scrawny as I have had muscle wasting over the Christmas period. Drinking and lounging around.

Average height depends on your ethnicity as well. So, I am actually only average height :(
 

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I have become quite scrawny as I have had muscle wasting over the Christmas period. Drinking and lounging around.

Average height depends on your ethnicity as well. So, I am actually only average height :(
I'm an ectomorph so nothing sticks really. I eat a lot of protein but muscle isn't something I can easily build. Which is fine too.

Average U.S. is 5"9 so you're still taller! I'm tall in the Philippines so suck it Canada and all you giants.
 

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6'1" or 6'3" are ok. Life would be easier if I was only 6'3"..... I never felt tall growing up because my two best friends were taller until I hit adulthood.
 

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I would like to get back down to 180lbs. Easy physically, just to busy right now that I don't make the time to even try.
 

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I had my ideal body two years ago. I was 120lbs 5"2. I was working out 5 days a week (HIT) weights, cardio. I was doing jujitsu and their conditioning workouts were awesome. I was in the gym at least 8 hours a week. No earplugs lounging around weight benches. Active time. I had abs! Lol.

After taking a job that had me working 65 hours a week and getting depressed with it, I stopped working out (something I love) and gained 30 lbs. :shock: Depression sucks.

A year later, I've lost 18 of those pounds by working out 3 days a week (same conditioning workouts but no jujitsu) and reasonable and moderate diet changes. Not actively paying attention to what I eat, overeating at times, etc. This has been easy to maintain for the last year. I'm about 130-135.

Now I'm about to get serious. I'm two to three months away from that goal weight/shape of 120-125. It is mainly diet. That is what most body transformations come from, IMO. I'm not changing my workouts except that I'm incorporating more cardio into my HIT.

I'm excited. :D
 

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Glad to see some posts on the misleading information regarding BMI. I work in a doctor's office that's part of a nationally-recognized hospital. We treat bariatric patients that get referred from a weight management center. All of the providers have to abide by the standard of BMI to determine a patient's ideal weight. Everything is controlled by insurance companies. It's absolutely nonsense and it continues to teach people to rely on a method that has already been debunked. It's similar to saying muscle weighs more than fat... Anyway.

I'm very petite, short (5'0"), and skinny but muscular because I exercise regularly and do a lot of strength training. I love weights. I also dance and love cardio but can't do it too much because I lose weight very quickly. I'm very fortunate to have a fast metabolism and know a great deal about health/ nutrition in general but it's still incredibly hard for me to gain weight, even if all I eat is fattening food or high calories (tried it once and I only gained 2 lbs in a month). This is usually overlooked. Most people I talk to about it say things like "Omg you just need to eat a cheeseburger!!" and I want to punch them in the face(lol). I understand the "weight-loss" mentality is ingrained at an early age and of course society feeds on that, but it's still frustrating.

I don't really have an ideal body... I mean, the only thing I would probably change is my flat chest (I have less than a 30AA). I've been self-conscious about it for a while and would love to have a decent breast size (a small B would suffice). But honestly, I've grown to love my body so much. It's healthy, it works, it's resilient. I'm grateful.
 
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I just want to be skinny curvy.
 

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Glad to see some posts on the misleading information regarding BMI. I work in a doctor's office that's part of a nationally-recognized hospital. We treat bariatric patients that get referred from a weight management center. All of the providers have to abide by the standard of BMI to determine a patient's ideal weight. Everything is controlled by insurance companies. It's absolutely nonsensie and it continues to teach people to rely on a method that has already been debunked. It's similar to saying muscle weighs more than fat... Anyway.

I'm very petite (5'0") and skinny but still muscular because I exercise regularly and do a lot of strength training. I love weights. I still do cardio but can't do too much because I lose weight quickly. I'm very fortunate to have a fast metabolism and know a great deal about health/ nutrition in general but at the same time, it becomes incredibly hard to gain weight, even if all I eat is fattening food or high calories (tried it once and I only gained 2 lbs in a month). This is overlooked of course. Most people I've talked to about it just say "Omg you just need to eat a cheeseburger!". I understand the lose-weight" mentality is ingrained at an early age and of course society feeds on that, but it's still frustating for me at times.

I think the only thing I would change is my flat chest (I have less than a 30AA). I've been self-concious about it for a while and would love to have a decent breast size (a small B would suffice). I've grown to love my body so much though. It's healthy, it functions, it endures, and it's strong. I'm very grateful.

I am 10lbs past obese according to bmi, not just over weight. When I am at the overweight mark I have a six pack. It's a retarded measurement system.
 

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Most people I've talked to about it just say "Omg you just need to eat a cheeseburger!" and I want to punch them in the face(lol).

My ESFP friend is naturally thin and petite. When she was a bartender she got this all the time. Seriously, a couple times a day sometimes! and it really bothered her. It is just rude to comment on someone's weight unless they ask for feedback.
 

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My ESFP friend is naturally thin and petite. When she was a bartender she got this all the time. Seriously, a couple times a day sometimes! and it really bothered her. It is just rude to comment on someone's weight unless they ask for feedback.

My niece is that way, her family says she is to thin. She just needs more strength, not even for looks, just for better functionality with lifting and carrying things. She does not have protruding bones, nor is she unhappy with how she looks. She avoids confrontation unless it's really necessary so she just smiles and nods. Doesn't really listen or try to put on weight. She is just skinny and she is fine, she likes how she looks. I joke around with her being skinny, but nothing rude and I have already talked to her about the retarded people who say she ends to lose weight. I just joke around that she is small.
 

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My ESFP friend is naturally thin and petite. When she was a bartender she got this all the time. Seriously, a couple times a day sometimes! and it really bothered her. It is just rude to comment on someone's weight unless they ask for feedback.

Absolutely. It's rude and uncalled for. It's like they think because we're skinny and we are what society considers "ideal" they can just say things like that with no care whatsoever about the person they are directing to. Hmm..no, even if you know them personally, you still have no right to make such comments. In my experience, those are the same sort of people that don't realize that just because a person is skinny it does not mean they are automatically healthy or that all large people are overweight and unhealthy because they are lazy.
 

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I am 10lbs past obese according to bmi, not just over weight. When I am at the overweight mark I have a six pack. It's a retarded measurement system.

My husband is 6'5 and 258, as of today. He runs and lifts weights so he's muscular. He's still close to the obese mark as far as BMI is concerned. The doctor told him he should shoot for about 225-230 max. That's laughable, he has like 10 inch wrists.
 

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Absolutely. It's rude and uncalled for. It's like they think because we're skinny and we are what society considers "ideal" they can just say things like that with no care whatsoever about the person they are directing to. Hmm..no, you don't know what that person's struggle has been in their lives with their weight and even if you do, you have no right to make such comments. More often that not, those are the same people that don't realize that just because a person is skinny it does not mean they are healthy or that all large people are overweight and unhealthy because they are lazy.

Actually you might be surprised at how different the male ideal of a female body is from how women view themselves (and presume men do).

I posted an image on here a few days ago to show this. Men actually, it seems, by and large don't find very skinny women to be the most attractive...something I can affirm personally. My pet theory on why this is is that a woman with no breasts and visible abs seems sexually ambiguous, so these are features which to the reptilian parts of our brains, imply your hormones are out of kilter and hence that you have low fertility.

The ideal woman for a man seems to actually be much closer to a plus-sized model, around a size 12. A rounder face, strongly defined hips and breasts, an ass which is not rock hard, and a bit of stomach fat. Basically - sexual dimorphism. We don't want to date ourselves and are curious about how the ladies are different to us.
 

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Actually you might be surprised at how different the male ideal of a female body is from how women view themselves (and presume men do).

I posted an image on here a few days ago to show this. Men actually, it seems, by and large don't find very skinny women to be the most attractive...something I can affirm personally. My pet theory on why this is is that a woman with no breasts and visible abs seems sexually ambiguous, so these are features which to the reptilian parts of our brains, imply your hormones are out of kilter and hence that you have low fertility.

The ideal woman for a man seems to actually be much closer to a plus-sized model, around a size 12. A rounder face, strongly defined hips and breasts, an ass which is not rock hard, and a bit of stomach fat. Basically - sexual dimorphism. We don't want to date ourselves and are curious about how the ladies are different to us.

What I meant by society was not what a male actually considers ideal, rather the (usually photo shopped) really thin, large-breasted women you see in countless magazines, movies, commercials, etc. It's a really unrealistic view of women that society imposes, considering the average woman (in America at least) is a size 14.
 

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What I meant by society was not what a male actually considers ideal, rather the (usually photo shopped) really thin, large-breasted women you see in countless magazines, movies, commercials, etc.

I understand and no, this is not a reasonable body shape for most women to expect to have, especially because the women in these pictures do, as you say, often have blemishes removed and...certain body parts...enhanced through photoshopping.

It's a really unrealistic view of women that society imposes, considering the average woman (in America at least) is a size 14.

What I would hope is that women realise most men aren't fussed about you not looking like a model. It is obesity that is universally unattractive. This is why I don't sympathise with the "fat pride" people because you shouldn't celebrate an unhealthy lifestyle choice. It would be like me expressing pride in being an alcoholic (assuming I was).

So I guess the contrary argument is that if skinny women are the ideal, all women will be encouraged to lose weight and be healthier than they would be if the ideal was a woman of a healthy weight, because you're shifting the ideal in a direction towards obesity. But I am not sure.
 

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Brad pitt in fight club is the body i am aiming for. It is easier that bulking up.

I have to lose about 10 kgs and bulk up my arms and chest a bit more.

I.am planning on losing 5kgs this year.
 

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What I meant by society was not what a male actually considers ideal, rather the (usually photo shopped) really thin, large-breasted women you see in countless magazines, movies, commercials, etc. It's a really unrealistic view of women that society imposes, considering the average woman (in America at least) is a size 14.

It can change your world when you have a lot of Asians going to the petite section of the store you work at and asking for double zeroes or that lucky find of seeing two white girls at once want to try on size fours, not saying this is suitable information to generalize for the rest of women, but there are definitely skinny people out there.

Generally Europeans are of a much smaller build than Americans are, their diet is much healthier and they tend to exercise a whole lot more. Of course there are exceptions but it's so you know.

And if it we're not talking socioeconomic privileged white culture, undeniably and unhealthily skinny are in third world countries. But in my experience in South America, I'm sure a lot of people there can easily slip on to smaller sizes.

I may only say that Pacific Islanders may be the exception and some others unfortunately due to my ignorance of the world of countries I have never bothered to explore. (Most people I meet can't even or won't even listen to how I say Slovenia :rolleyes:)

It's good to know that beauty shouldn't be so objective but it's how it is and you'd be surprised on there's a lot of men who aren't as picky either.
I may be shallow, but not all of my brothers are.
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It can change your world when you have a lot of Asians going to the petite section of the store you work at and asking for double zeroes or that lucky find of seeing two white girls at once want to try on size fours, not saying this is suitable information to generalize for the rest of women, but there are definitely skinny people out there.

Wait, what? You work in a clothing store for women? How the hell did you get that job as a straight man?

It's good to know that beauty shouldn't be so objective but it's how it is and you'd be surprised on there's a lot of men who aren't as picky either.
I may be shallow, but not all of my brothers are.

There is not a single objective standard of beauty. More the inverse, that certain traits are universally unattractive (like being obese, lacking facial symmetry, or having serious blemishes/disfigurements), and men are of course instinctively looking for signs of fertility in women (reproductive success) so particularly skinny or fat women are not attractive by default.

But once you get into things like eye size and colour, hair and skin colour, how long the girl's hair should be, hip size, ass size, etc...I feel we are venturing into the subjective. What I like won't be the same as what you like.
 
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