Gay and transexuals

[á´…eparted]

Interesting. That is when the womens lib movement persuaded women taking care of their families was selling themselves short.

I think the 70s/80s was when things really took an irreparable turn for the worse on our society. Including our ideas about sexual expression which laid the current foundation of 'anything goes! It's all good!'

Funny, I think the vast majority of the world would say things are much better off now than they were before that movement.

What's your basis of this anyway? This sheds some light into a lot of this: you have personal opinions on what morality should be (very likely bolstered by religious beliefs), and want to somehow take this and base it in reality for others to need to listen to and obey by legitimizing it in some sort of disorder, law, or moral code.

You can't do that. NO ONE can. It's not fair or rational. If people did or could, it would take us back to the dark ages.

 

[Poki]

But neither is anything that you are saying. Like the existence of "sexual disorders."



Sexuality and gender are not fixed points. It is fluid. That's why it's a spectrum. Very few people are COMPLETELY gay or COMPLETELY straight, whether they are aware of it (or act upon it) or not. But since most people identify as straight and are almost exclusively attracted to the opposite sex, they're nearly blind to it--they think it's all fixed.

Also, yes. Romantic attraction, sexual attraction, aesthetic appeal--all separate. They can be the same. They aren't always.

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Is anything wrong with that?

I agree, that's why they are not gonna find a "gay" gene and looking for it is futile, because gay is a man made concept. You will never find the "i like onion" gene because it's not that simple. Things are complex, an onion has a texture, a flavor, and after taste, a bite, alot of complex qualities that are what we sense. Visual is even more complicated in the complex qualities. It's the individual qualities as well as combined qualities that we like and dislike and if you change aNY one of those genes at will affect a person's overall likes, not just an onion, or a car, or a gay person.

 

[Yama]

i don't have dissociative personality disorder because i was raised wrong or was traumatized either!!! Yeehaw. We are just fucked up by nature ye gads!!




/denial much?

What the fuck? I was trying my absolute best to be respectful and just have a discussion and this is the response I get? Some kind of passive-aggressive "you're in denial because I disagree and instead of replying directly to anything you said I'm just gonna call you fucked up"?

 

[nonsequitur]

What the fuck? I was trying my absolute best to be respectful and just have a discussion and this is the response I get? Some kind of passive-aggressive "you're in denial because I disagree and instead of replying directly to anything you said I'm just gonna call you fucked up"?

I'm with you. That was completely pathetic.

 

[á´…eparted]

What the fuck? I was trying my absolute best to be respectful and just have a discussion and this is the response I get? Some kind of passive-aggressive "you're in denial because I disagree and instead of replying directly to anything you said I'm just gonna call you fucked up"?

The fact that individuals who are transgender suffer greatly from society's overall rejection, leading to significantly higher suicide rates and signficiantly reduced quality of life notwithstanding.

Her reply to you is cruel and devoid of any empathy and understanding, and her reply is adding to this already large barrage of non-understanding and harm. This is unfortunately an extremely persistent pattern, and all one has to do is go through her post history. It seems nothing anyone says or does gets her to understand or stop.

I'm sorry this was said to you .

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

The fact that individuals who are transgender suffer greatly from society's overall rejection, leading to significantly higher suicide rates and signficiantly reduced quality of life notwithstanding.


I'm sorry this was said to you .

Interesting. Suicide and dissatisfaction with self and body can't be due to mommy or daddy or uncle tim molesting us! It is because our fetishes just arent accepted by society.

 

[nonsequitur]

Interesting. Suicide and dissatisfaction with self and body can't be due to mommy or daddy or uncle tim molesting us! It is because or fetishes just arent accepted by society.

You give Christians a really bad name.

 

[Forever]

 

[Yama]

Interesting. Suicide and dissatisfaction with self and body can't be due to mommy or daddy or uncle tim molesting us! It is because our fetishes just arent accepted by society.

Would it confuse you to know that there are gay and transgender people who don't feel the way they feel because of molestation? Or is that like a completely foreign and alien concept?

 

[á´…eparted]

Interesting. Suicide and dissatisfaction with self and body can't be due to mommy or daddy or uncle tim molesting us! It is because our fetishes just arent accepted by society.

...My jaw has quite literally dropped. I see a lot on these forums, but goddamn this takes the cake. Double down why don't ya, and dig the grave just a little bit deeper.

The cruelty and harm in this (in particular because you are directing it at an individual forum member and COMPLETELY invalidating their identity) actually makes the initial stuff I took issue with pale in comparison.

You don't know lux21, from that ALONE, how could you POSSIBLE even begin to justify making such an assertion, even if we ignore the fact that someone being transgender FACTUALLY has NO connection to this.

You how lux21 a direct deep and SINCERE appology, not some half-assed bullshit. This isn't just cruel, it's evil.

 

[HongDou]

I have little respect for what the current psychiatric 'authorities' opinions are from year to year.

 

[Yama]

You how lux21 a direct deep and SINCERE appology, not some half-assed bullshit. This isn't just cruel, it's evil.

I don't even need an apology, just some decent conversation or a worthwhile discussion instead of whatever all of that turned into.

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

This thread now has me so

 

[Bilateral Entry]

In both cases, it is about changing one's biological body or function to match how one is feeling. Feelings come from many sources and are multi-varied. To say that, based on feelings, we can know that a person is gay biologically or transgender biologically is illogical, because feelings can be illogical!

The definition of sexuality is based on how someone feels. A heterosexual is heterosexual because s/he feels heterosexual. A heterosexual who feels homosexual is, by definition, not a heterosexual. So... by saying that these feelings are illogical, you're implying that all of sexuality is illogical, which is fair enough. But, you'd have to apply the argument to all sexuality.

There seems to be a lot of anger and lashing out on Type C over gayness being from psycho-social origin rather than physical origin. And that living a gay lifestyle is a choice one makes, not something that one has to embrace. I wonder why all the anger?

Uh because you're pretending to be all curious and reasonable, but you're just pushing an agenda? You're ignoring legit counter-arguments only to repeat your own arguments.

I BELIEVE (my own opinion): Being gay is a disorder that should be explored for a cause and a treatment. And living a gay lifestyle is a willful choice to act out one's sexual desires in a less-than-ideal way (sinful) way.

I see that the basis of your belief is religion, which is not a logical basis, but one based on faith.

Feeling gay is perhaps beyond someone's control, but that does not mean those feelings stem from biological origins. And no study will prove that, because it simply is not true. At least not for the majority of people who identify as 'gay'.

Why do you pretend to even care what studies say? Any study that disagrees with your perspective, you'll just dismiss anyways.

EXCUSE ME. How dare you imply that I (who is gay) or ANYONE one who is gay or transgendered is illogical. Do you know what this is? Hate speech. Pure, unbridled hate speech. You don't know a goddamn thing about any of this. You might not think it is, but guess what, it is.

The 'hate speech' characterization is arguable.

You constantly go around and try to demean, belittle, and call being homosexual wrong. NEWSFLASH! It's not.

Value statement.

Once again, they DO come from biological origins. We scientifically know this.

Not necessarily. Historically, science has subsequently disproved what was previously believed, many times.

You know, not too long ago homosexuality was listed in the DSM as a mental disorder. If you'd been alive back in the day and been diagnosed with the sociopathic personality disturbance known as homosexuality, would you have questioned your psychiatrist? I bet if you had they would've said you were delusional. What a dilemma.

Nice.

we are quick (as a society) to falsely claim biology or organic genesis as the reason for such aberrant sexual inclinations.

You have no basis to support your assertion that the science is false.

Interesting. Suicide and dissatisfaction with self and body can't be due to mommy or daddy or uncle tim molesting us! It is because our fetishes just arent accepted by society.

LOOOLLLL no basis for your implication.

 

[á´…eparted]

This thread now has me so

Comments like this are why so many people have so many problems with the stuff you say. You actually find people pointing out how cruel and nasty the things you say to be funny. That elevates it to a whole new level of bad, and really shows a complete and utter lack of empathy, and a complete and utter willingness to even find it.

 

[Yama]

Why even post on a thread about discussing this topic if you have no intention of actually discussing anything? I'm sincerely disappointed that we can't just have a mature exchange of opinions.

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

Sexuality is action. Not feelings.

love is feelings.

 

[á´…eparted]

Sexuality is action. Not feelings.

love is feelings.

This doesn't justify or bolster anything you've said in this thread.

With that, I'm going to bed, it's nearly 4am, this isn't going anywhere (not surprised), and at least people that were hurt were backed up and will likely continued to be backed up.

 

[Bilateral Entry]

Is she trolling? After 6 years on here, she's decided to start trolling? Or is she serious?

 

[Poki]

Interesting. Suicide and dissatisfaction with self and body can't be due to mommy or daddy or uncle tim molesting us! It is because our fetishes just arent accepted by society.

I can't tell if your serious or not. It can be because it makes people feel dirty about their body and that dirty feeling will cause them issues with self and body.