Mal12345
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When I first arrived on this forum, it was explained to me that there are a few things not allowed here. These things aren't against the FAQ per se, it seemed that a certain conformity to some unstated tribal rule was expected of me. For example, I was not to:
1. discuss how typology suffers from the ad hoc fallacy;
2. engage in stereotyping; and,
3. write at great length intellectually (an INTP stereotype! It's so IRONIC).
I had no problem with (1). Typology - LIKE ANYTHING ELSE INTELLECTUAL - can use ad hoc argumentation. But typology is not ad hoc by its very nature. It depends on whether the reasoning that goes into a type-call occurs 'before-the-fact' or 'after-the-fact.'
2. What constitutes stereotyping is determined on this forum in a subjective and/or dogmatic sense. Something is a stereotype according to how some members feel about a statement. If it feels like stereotyping, then it must be stereotyping!
The idea of stereotyping is also used to push dogma, in the sense that - IF YOU USE MBTI IN THE ABSENCE OF FUNCTIONS, THEN YOU ARE AUTOMATICALLY ENGAGED IN STEREOTYPING! "Therefore," JCF is (morally and politically) correct and everything else is incorrect, maybe evil.
Those who believe this, and who try to convince others of their dogma, never give an idea of what 'stereotype' means, or how it is applied to typology. The dogma depends on some vague notion of what stereotyping consists of. They 'know' what a stereotype is by certain infamous examples regarding classes of people - racism, homophobia, etc., including typism. I agree that typism exists, and I have been viciously subjected to it by certain forum members who shall remain unnamed. But to state that non-JCF always engages in stereotyping by its nature is insane, as is the implied idea that using JCF somehow cures the problem of typism.
Since each type in a system counts as a class of people, it will be subject to typism and stereotyping. The only solution, therefore, to typism would be to do as the PC crowd does - eliminate all labels. ALL OF THEM, whether they come from pure MBTI or that recent reinvention of MBTI known as JCF.
1. discuss how typology suffers from the ad hoc fallacy;
2. engage in stereotyping; and,
3. write at great length intellectually (an INTP stereotype! It's so IRONIC).
I had no problem with (1). Typology - LIKE ANYTHING ELSE INTELLECTUAL - can use ad hoc argumentation. But typology is not ad hoc by its very nature. It depends on whether the reasoning that goes into a type-call occurs 'before-the-fact' or 'after-the-fact.'
2. What constitutes stereotyping is determined on this forum in a subjective and/or dogmatic sense. Something is a stereotype according to how some members feel about a statement. If it feels like stereotyping, then it must be stereotyping!
The idea of stereotyping is also used to push dogma, in the sense that - IF YOU USE MBTI IN THE ABSENCE OF FUNCTIONS, THEN YOU ARE AUTOMATICALLY ENGAGED IN STEREOTYPING! "Therefore," JCF is (morally and politically) correct and everything else is incorrect, maybe evil.
Those who believe this, and who try to convince others of their dogma, never give an idea of what 'stereotype' means, or how it is applied to typology. The dogma depends on some vague notion of what stereotyping consists of. They 'know' what a stereotype is by certain infamous examples regarding classes of people - racism, homophobia, etc., including typism. I agree that typism exists, and I have been viciously subjected to it by certain forum members who shall remain unnamed. But to state that non-JCF always engages in stereotyping by its nature is insane, as is the implied idea that using JCF somehow cures the problem of typism.
Since each type in a system counts as a class of people, it will be subject to typism and stereotyping. The only solution, therefore, to typism would be to do as the PC crowd does - eliminate all labels. ALL OF THEM, whether they come from pure MBTI or that recent reinvention of MBTI known as JCF.