Azure Flame
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So I had an interesting conversation with an ENFJ 4 the other day.
I was listening to some type o negative "Love you to death," seen here:
The song is incredibly depressing and tragic. These emotions are something my ex used to feel almost constantly (ISFP).
When I hung around her, it felt like I was lowered down to her level. The song is conveying a certain kind of emotion, and I was trying to figure out what it was that was being felt, and from what I gather, its expressing feelings of insignificance. (The E4 fear is of being insignificant).
With that being said, this brings up a lot of questions about E4's in my mind. When I visualize something in my mind to this song, I imagine an extremely empty world filled with ghosts, with a lot of green. Almost like a lost eden, some kind of lost paradise that is also completely devoid of other people. Its very surreal. Very melancholy. I think the emotion I experience is one of "vast insignificance." With regards to my ex, she clung to me whenever I was about to leave her. I had this feeling as if, if I left her, it was the equivalent of leaving her in the middle of the ocean with no one to talk to. "DON'T LEAVE ME!" I felt very sorry for her and there was nothing I could do about it. When I was around her, I felt her emotions, and it was as if the two of us were the only humans on the planet, as if that's how she viewed me. Its as though, if we got married, and she passed away before me, I would have been the only person she ever cared about.
I don't know if these feelings are romantic... or unhealthy.
With that being said, as an 8, I have quite a lot of "significance," perhaps too much. So much so, that I often complain a lot of people seem to want to latch onto me and steal my energy like leeches. Anytime I feel these melancholy emotions in an E4, I don't speak to them anymore. Its become a huge red flag to me. I don't know if this should be the case or not.
Is this behavior healthy? Are there any examples of fictional characters or celebrities who are healthy E4's? Ideas?
I have a sort of love/hate relationship with E4's for this reason. Maybe I'm just exhausted from dating so many damn ISFP 4's.
I was listening to some type o negative "Love you to death," seen here:
The song is incredibly depressing and tragic. These emotions are something my ex used to feel almost constantly (ISFP).
When I hung around her, it felt like I was lowered down to her level. The song is conveying a certain kind of emotion, and I was trying to figure out what it was that was being felt, and from what I gather, its expressing feelings of insignificance. (The E4 fear is of being insignificant).
With that being said, this brings up a lot of questions about E4's in my mind. When I visualize something in my mind to this song, I imagine an extremely empty world filled with ghosts, with a lot of green. Almost like a lost eden, some kind of lost paradise that is also completely devoid of other people. Its very surreal. Very melancholy. I think the emotion I experience is one of "vast insignificance." With regards to my ex, she clung to me whenever I was about to leave her. I had this feeling as if, if I left her, it was the equivalent of leaving her in the middle of the ocean with no one to talk to. "DON'T LEAVE ME!" I felt very sorry for her and there was nothing I could do about it. When I was around her, I felt her emotions, and it was as if the two of us were the only humans on the planet, as if that's how she viewed me. Its as though, if we got married, and she passed away before me, I would have been the only person she ever cared about.
I don't know if these feelings are romantic... or unhealthy.
With that being said, as an 8, I have quite a lot of "significance," perhaps too much. So much so, that I often complain a lot of people seem to want to latch onto me and steal my energy like leeches. Anytime I feel these melancholy emotions in an E4, I don't speak to them anymore. Its become a huge red flag to me. I don't know if this should be the case or not.
Is this behavior healthy? Are there any examples of fictional characters or celebrities who are healthy E4's? Ideas?
I have a sort of love/hate relationship with E4's for this reason. Maybe I'm just exhausted from dating so many damn ISFP 4's.