There's nothing clear at all. You know nothing about Yoda's training and simply speculate hoping that if we believe your speculation we will believe your point.
Well, yes, because typing characters in the first place is speculative in nature, since we are assuming that a created character has a personality that is on par with a real, living person's personality and we can type them accordingly.
However, I do believe it is clear that Yoda at least
understands emotions; you yourself said that he displays them from time to time. From there we can reason that Yoda - advocating restraint of emotions in his philosophy, demonstrating restraint of emotions in provocative scenarios (eg, battling with Sith lords), and us knowing that Jedi training includes lifelong learning to adhere to the Jedi Code - would have, at some point, had to learn to restrict his emotions (and, even if his emotions are already naturally restricted, he would at least have learned
of restriction). My point being, again, we cannot derive the argument that Yoda is a T from the mere fact that he demonstrates restraint of emotions. That would be logical were he an F, as well.
You use differents words who actually mean the same thing. As an INTP, Yoda considers that feelings prevent us to see things in an objective way. While an INFJ would consider that looking at the human factor is essential to have a good understanding. Also, the Jedi order is not monoblock and there's differents current. Qui-Gon Jinn and Dooku, for example, are true IFJs and they have a very different conception of the Force, and difficulties to align with credo to avoid emotions that Yoda never had.
No, "reasoning" and "seeing clearly" are
vastly different in MBTI terms: one deals with the T/F scale and the other with N/S. "Seeing things" has to do with N/S, not with T/F: T/F is for making decisions and prioritizing information. N/S is about accurately taking in information, which is what Yoda is concerned with - not whether his goals and values are accurate (T/F), but whether his mind-state is clear or clouded (N/S). In fact, it seems rare to me that Yoda displays concern about his reasoning, where we would expect a T-dominant to linger.
You distording the sense of the words and the basic notions of the model. Yoda is about perception. Therefore he is a Perceiver. While IJ are about Judgment but use their dominant Perceiving function to plan and take judgment alone before they express thelselves outward. The INFJ style is Chart-the-Course and has nothing to do with the passive and detached Behind-the-Scene role of the INTP Yoda.
You just stated that a person uses their Perceiving to make a Judgment. This is incorrect by definition.
Wookieepedia said:
Yoda served as a member of the Jedi High Council in the last centuries of the Galactic Republic and reigned as Grand Master of the Jedi Order before, during and after the devastating Clone Wars. Following the Battle of Geonosis, Yoda held the title of Master of the Order in addition to that of Grand Master. In his centuries of service to the galaxy and the Force, Grand Master Yoda had a hand in the training of nearly all the Jedi in the Order, including such luminaries as Obi-Wan Kenobi, Ki-Adi-Mundi and Oppo Rancisis; all of which would come to serve on the Jedi Council along with him.
Behind-the-Scenes?
That can also be tertiary Si. There's nothing which indicate that Yoda have the practical action oriented style of Se-user.
Si is about creating information patterns associated with concepts / object-ideals (a la Plato's forms), data storage and retrieval, and sensory comparisons between situations. While tertiary Si could be useful in terms of learning the sensory aspects of martial arts, there's nothing about it in comparison to the other Perceiving functions that particularly lends itself to that art form. Whereas Se, direct experiencing and responding, more quickly lends itself to moment-to-moment battle and sensory Force control.
StephMC posted this:
Tertiary Si: Find relief with introverted Sensing (INTP/INFP)
They often enjoy activities like revisiting places they've been, ideas they've explored, and the history of their family, their organization, or even their culture. They collect detailed information about what interests them and may devote time to researching the past to build on what others have already done. They may be drawn to collect memorabilia or keep extensive records of activities and interests. They recognize familiar subtle sensory elements such as tastes, aromas, and spellings. In the physical world, they take comfort in familiarity. They may avoid or resist new experiences preferring to have new experiences match the old ones that were enjoyable. When Younger, they tend not to remember details or put much stock in expected results based on past experience. As they grow, they find they have acquired a rich storehouse of memories, and they learn to recall with accurate detail how something was before and will likely review the past to see what lessons can be learned from it. They often go from avoiding participation in traditions and holidays to genuinely enjoying these. Engaging in introverted Sensing can be unsettling and disruptive at times. They can give too much detail or become too focused on reviewing the past and what's established as valid, even if it is for lessons learned. Or they may end up collecting endless quantities of miscellaneous items that give them comfort in their familiarity but clutter their physical lives.
Nothing particularly reminiscent of Yoda.
Yoda don't promote harmony or internal lanscape. He simply observe that that harmony between thing exists because of the Force, and passively accept it.
But he has chosen the Light Side of the Force, and joined the Jedi Order, "an ancient monastic peacekeeping organization unified by its belief and observance of the Force, specifically the light side" (Wookieepedia). He became the leader of this
peacekeeping organization. He actively promoted harmony, the side of the Force that he willingly chose.
Yoda live according to an ideal. But it's not his own personal ideal. He live based on the principles of a Jedi philosophy that he considers as objective. Actually, Yoda have problems about being too much based on theses impersonals principles and never consider the human factor at the point to look insensitive and dogmatic. Typically INTP.
Never considers the human factor? Yoda has been a teacher to many, has taken on numerous Padawans, and leads an organization. He is at the center of humanistic activity. Moreover, we have exchanges like this:
Yoda - "Blind we are, if creation of this clone army, we could not see."
Mace Windu - "I think it is time we informed the Senate that our ability to use the Force has diminished."
Yoda - "Only the Dark Lords of the Sith know of our weakness. If informed, the Senate is, multiply, our adversaries will."
Yoda is aware of the interpersonal factors and considers human movement in calculating what should or should not be done. Someone who is not interested in the human factors is unlikely to assess the potential impact of creating adversaries so readily. A Fe auxiliary
is, because they see how it will disrupt the Ni path to their goals, just as Yoda demonstrates here.
However, every N are oriented to symbolism and connections between things. Not only NJs. And where are theses things about "holistic archetype of transformation" ? nowhere.
Again, it is the difference between internal and external. Ne users are very aware of connections in the outside world. They trace patterns through space. NJs are aware of patterns through time, as they have internalized Se events and can use the memory of events to look at the "timescape" in a way similar to the way Ne users look at the present landscape. Yoda, as in the above dialogue, is constantly assessing likelihoods, thus it is Ni and not Ne.
Also, my phrase was "holistic archetypes
and transformation". I will address transformation below. As for holistic archetype, I believe that most people who are even somewhat familiar with Star Wars would quickly identify Yoda as a figurehead, representative of the Jedi and their objectives.
Yoda is focused on transformation;
Where?
Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will.
Always in motion is the future.
Life creates it, makes it grow.
Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
Already know you that which you need.
Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future...the past. Old friends long gone.
Attachment leads to jealously. The shadow of greed, that is.
In this war, a danger there is, of losing who we are.
This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away...
Blind we are, if creation of this clone army we could not see.
Yoda is constantly looking at how things move and change, and what that means for the future. Ni. Ni and Se.
BTW, when Yoda tells "The boy you trained, gone, he is, consumed by Darth Vader" he simply harshly and abrasively says to Obi-Wan to have guts and don't act like an emo guy, but do what it is rational to do. He does't want to consider the human factor, like Luke and Padmé who are true INF and persist to see some good in Darth Vader. Yoda is single-minded and not "focus on transformation". He noticed that something in the external world changed (Ne) and judge that it is logical to kill Vader. He ask to Ob-Wan to see things as they are in an objective way, without letting him disturbed by emotions. So he is Ti-dom and repress Fe.
He
does focus on transformation. Yoda sees, far before the others, that Anakin has been consumed by the Dark Side and will act accordingly. And if we're talking about the human factor, empathy for a single being who has the potential to destroy many is moreso the realm of NFP than NFJ - remember, at this point, that Vader has killed many children, and will soon kill his wife. Yoda is blunt, yes, but I don't think this is a good example of logic overrunning feeling. Instead, it is a good example of Yoda seeing that Vader will continue to commit violence, and, even though it is painful to Obi-Wan, the truth is that the person Anakin was doesn't essentially, currently, exist (because Vader is acting like Vader, not like Anakin). This isn't the external world: this is Anakin/Vader's internal world. This is a Ni realization, not Ne. Assessment of external behavior (Je) and internal motivation (Pi): Fe/Ni. If anything, Yoda gently cautions Obi-Wan before he learns the truth -
Obi-Wan: Wait, Master. There is something I must know. [inspects a security hologram]
Yoda: You realize, of course, that if into the security recordings, you go, only pain, will you find.
Interesting that Yoda doesn't just outrightly tell Obi-Wan the truth, and hasn't previously - this is not a typical INTP tactic, to remain silent about the truth. It is, however, a typical NFJ tactic to remain silent about information to protect another person. Yoda doesn't
repress Fe. He utilizes it to protect others.
holistic universal life energy; how to use that energy; the struggle between Dark and Light.
Every jedis do this. That has nothing especially INFJ-related.
Yoda is at the head of the Jedi Order as he has chosen to be and has worked to become - Yoda has chosen this aspect in his life. Moreover, we see other Jedi who are less inclined to focus on this in quite the amount Yoda does, including Anakin, who, as Yoda points out, is much more focused on possibilities and action, and Mace Windu, who is more quick to act and more combat-oriented. Yoda is particularly heady and conceptual, even for a Jedi.
Again:
Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will.
Always in motion is the future.
Life creates it, makes it grow.
Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
Already know you that which you need.
Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future...the past. Old friends long gone.
Attachment leads to jealously. The shadow of greed, that is.
In this war, a danger there is, of losing who we are.
This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away...
Blind we are, if creation of this clone army we could not see.
Yoda is constantly looking at how things move and change, and what that means for the future. Ni. Ni and Se.
and he uses it to change the universe
When did yoda want to change the universe?
Speed. Whenever the Dark Side presence grows, his primary goal and taken-on responsibility is to quash it. He is trying to change the universe for the vast majority of the series.
Affirmation based on nothing.
It was based on my previous reasoning. Don't short-quote me and then misinterpret; you know better.
and relations between people and political factions to encourage the spread of his philosophy; he sees the Force in terms of connections. Yoda is Fe-auxiliary.
When was Yoda people-oriented and politically oriented?
Again, Yoda is the head of a huge organization, an instructor in that organization, and takes on Padawans. That is how he is people-oriented. The organization involves itself in political dealings and is a peacekeeping organization in and of itself, necessitating political action. And he served as part of the Jedi High Council within the Galactic Republic. People and political.
Seeing abstact connections betwwen things is Ne, not Fe.
Ahh yes and no. I said
energy, not abstract connections, first of all, and there's a major difference. Ne users focus on how things are similar, and what kind of patterns those similar things create, and what those patterns indicate. I drew a parallel here between Yoda and Hitler (crazy, right?) because I saw they had some qualitative similarities, which is interesting because they actually led relatively similar lives, if you think about it, even though one is a fictional character on the good side and the other is a real human generally considered to be evil. That's Ne thought, for sure. But I'm not talking about that sort of thing. There have been many discussions on Fe vs Fi and how Fe users utilize
distance between things and the nature of relational roles and such. Now, I'm not a Jedi, so I really don't know anything about using the Force, but -
Yoda: You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship.
he makes it about being
between things. And Ne doesn't concentrate so much on the
betweens. I think between-thinking is more an indicator of Fe than Ne - especially because in Yoda's galaxy, everything is imbued with the living energy of the Force. Ne thinking would probably be more about major ripples in the Force - but of course this is all conjecture. So are all of your arguments, though, since all of this is about a fictional typing, anyway.
Yoda don't try to create new images on his own (Ni), but to understand the abstract connection between things in the world. He's not Ni, he is Ne.
To me, I see Yoda's leadership in the Jedi Order as being a huge indication of a new image / vision and his life as dedication to pursuing that new vision of a peaceful, harmonious world living in tandem with the Force.
Intelectual masturbation.
If you're going to insult my ideas, at least spell your insults correctly. I assume your lack of serious response means that you cannot come up with a better argument.