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You mean science really isn't a religion after all?
No, but Scientism is.
You mean science really isn't a religion after all?
No, but Scientism is.
Religion is not inherently illogical either. And I will need some examples of "illogical members of society."
I'll let everybody form their own conclusions about that. Meanwhile, it should be mentioned that everything human has an illogical basis which then may be justified by reason and logic.
All. God created the universe; it's not surprising he can walk on water.
It is surprising that he deems it necessary, though.God created the universe; it's not surprising he can walk on water.
Who says you have to believe everything to believe in something? There's a broader question in the OP and no specific religion was named.
It is surprising that he deems it necessary, though.
I mean the whole god-is-human nonsense.Why not? He didn't just get out of a boat and go for a walk on water. He walked on water to get from the land to the boat (because he could). No need to get wet.
I mean the whole god-is-human nonsense.
I mean the whole god-is-human nonsense.
That has not made it any more sensible.-sighs-
I've explained this to you before; listening ears.
I'm tired.That has not made it any more sensible.
Yes, this is crucial. It is pointless to expect a metaphor to agree with the evidence of our senses, though. That's worse than comparing apples and oranges; at least they are both fruit. Evidence and metaphor appeal to us on different levels, and as you point out in the first paragraph, answer different questions. No one rejects the lessons of Aesop's Fables on the grounds that the tortoise and the hare weren't real.I don't believe the intended point of religion was primarily to be a science, to explain the world. I believe the point of religion is to explain our relationship to the world, in the only language we can understand: metaphor.
Some are compelled to contradict what they see with their own eyes to uphold that metaphor. It's a matter of prioritizing facts vs a chosen understanding of their place in the universe.
Yes, there is plenty in the Bible that makes no sense in a literal, factual, even historical sense. Anyone who expects that it will is either delusional or ultimately disappointed. Treated as metaphor, however, it has much to tell about human nature, our place in the world, and how people relate to God.Well it's safe to assume that most of us are Christians, so I'm not going to talk about Buddha.
So, people who believe in Jesus should ignore the fact that, Moses would have needed 1.3 seconds to collect a species and bring it into the ship, in order to gather all the species on Earth, if he would have lived for 60 more years from the point he started everything?
And there's more that doesn't make sense in this story.
How about these:Which of the following pictures makes logical sense to you ?
Define "create".If these stories are metaphors, then can "God created the universe" part be a metaphor too ?
To me, the only logical answer regarding the existence of God is : we do not know. How can we? I don't understand.
I know God exists. I had moments of fear and doubt when I could not rationalize what I was taught from childhood. I began my own journey to find the truth. I don't have any doubts now.To me, the only logical answer regarding the existence of God is : we do not know. How can we? I don't understand.
I understand where you're coming from.If these stories are metaphors, then can "God created the universe" part be a metaphor too ?
To me, the only logical answer regarding the existence of God is : we do not know. How can we? I don't understand.