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In English, please.
The meaning is crystal.
See things for what they are, rather than how they affect you.
In English, please.
In such a broad question as whether or not hatred is useful or poisonous, the only truth you're ever going to get to is subjective.
I thought seeing things as they affect me is personal identity.
I personally don't care what color people are, but what does being a racist have to do with "self-pity and pain?" This has never made sense to me and sounds like a dime store romance novel.
and i think that hate is never "useful". active, passionate dislike is pointless. if you don't like something, accept the situation for what it is and strategize on how to make it better. sitting there hating the situation is NOT strategically useful.
you don't like something? change it. you don't want to change it? change your opinion of it.
The meaning is crystal.
See things for what they are, rather than how they affect you.
Let's imagine a hypothetical situation in which a white American neighborhood sees a rise in Mexicans moving into the neighborhood. In principle, do you not think the whites of that neighborhood should have the right to defend their establishment from outsiders?
This is what happens when foreigners move in, your culture is at stake. And I'm not saying that I'm interested in driving away the outsiders (I'm playing Devil's Advocate), but why is it so wrong for someone who values their heritage to preserve their culture? Incoming outsiders are pretty much an invasion of that.
To narrow it down even more, a stranger comes barging into your house, do you not have any right to defend yourself?
You are attempting to twist logic here... please define HATRED for me.
Defending yourself... defending what's yours does not require hatred. Hatred is an extreme form of anger. You can defend without that.
Survival of the fittest. Defending your land or culture against invaders... all you need is exclusion. No need to hate. It's human nature to dislike and to some degrees hate. But hate is not the only thing that prompts you to act.
Unless they hurt or kill my family. But in this case they started with violence... so I suppose I have cause for hate... as impulses would be difficult to control.
(that's very anti Fi)
For most who hate, it is less about the target and more about how they've been targeted.
Still think I'm an NF?
but you still have to be aware of how you're affected in order to change things and act more rationally. if you feel yourself hating something, you must explore WHY. why are you so affected that you HATE? how exactly were you affected? you must know these things in order to change your behavioral patterns.
although i dont think hate is "wrong", i do think that in and of itself it is unimportant. it's more of a symptom... correspondingly strong to the severity of what provoked it.
there are two possible foundations to feeling hatred, legitimate and illegitimate. i say, acknowledge the feeling, move past it, then consider the source objectively and respond accordingly. if the source is illegitimate, learn what you can about why your response was unreasonable, if it is legitimate, find what you can do to resolve what initially provoked you. past those two directives, i see no benefit to dwelling on feelings of hatred.
For most who hate, it is less about the target and more about how they've been targeted.
i agree.
i never said hate was wrong, btw. it's a part of life. i just think it serves no strategic purpose, ever.
well, i take that back. i guess it would be strategic to hate if people are expecting you to, and would think less of you if you didn't for some reason.
A random thought... How is hatred and fear related?
It seems to me like we hate what we fear. We hate unjust actions because we fear it happening to us, to those we care about.
Oh right... hate is to fear... hate is just an emotion just as fear is just another emotion. Asking if hatred is useful or poisonous is like asking if fear is useful or debilitating. It can be both... depending on the extent and how you deal with it.
A random thought... How is hatred and fear related?
It seems to me like we hate what we fear. We hate unjust actions because we fear it happening to us, to those we care about.
Oh right... hate is to fear... hate is just an emotion just as fear is just another emotion. Asking if hatred is useful or poisonous is like asking if fear is useful or debilitating. It can be both... depending on the extent and how you deal with it.
Hmmm right right... 5 basic emotions which mix together to form hundreds of other emotions. I've forgotten my lessons... thank you for the reminder.Hate is a multiplicity of negative emotions cooperating into a composite behavior.
Perhaps...Hate is a frustration; a perversion of one's prerogative to master the unknown.
Hate and fear are interrelated in this way - taken to a deeper premise, I'd further wager that they are transient emotional states intended (fundamentally) to bolster survival.