I agree with this, Jung is talking about the Fe tendency to weigh how it will affect others in their environment when deciding on a course of action.
What is more beautiful, to watch someone crash or to watch someone glow with happiness?
I agree with this, Jung is talking about the Fe tendency to weigh how it will affect others in their environment when deciding on a course of action.
What is more beautiful, to watch someone crash or to watch someone glow with happiness?
Depends on what you want to see. For me, glow. Is there an issue with playing the environment to cause an effect with these Fe discussions?
I dont understand your question. The biggest issue I have with Fe is misuse of it to cause someone to crash for personal reasons as thats a selfish use of Fe to me. Its something I can and have got past when others do it to me, but its still not something I think highly of.
Sure, that isn't a good thing. I guess if you are able to play it one way it isn't hard to turn it on it's head. I have done that, in order to create a negative effect. I think everybody has done the opposite of what was expected to annoy people.
It seems more of a personal ethics thing to me.
The question was almost talking to myself. Actually, I was talking to myself and typed it out.
My sense of beauty is more conservative but by no means I am I blindly going by what society is telling me. This is ridiculous. Look at how Domino/ PinkPiranha expresses herself through her attire. Fe doms aren't just about social standards..... we have brains of our own, ya know? I use my Ni, Se, and Ti to level out the Fe (I have really strong Ni so it's always battling the Fe).
Thank you. You put it much more succinctly than I could.Isn't it more a tendency to weigh and include that as fact and information on decision making? It seems simplistic to believe that Fe would result in an individual becoming a slave to societies cultural norms and expectations. Knowing and being aware doesn't have to lead to doing. There is always the individual will.
Imagine how the other functions would colour Fe. Imagine if you were aware but chose another route. There seems to be advantages in using that function far beyond the limiting descriptions on this forum.
Edit: When I went back and reread this it looks like I reworded your post. Hopefully I added something.
Anyways, it has been difficult. My girlfriend was astonished when she met me and came to my appartment for the first time. I had left it unpainted and white and felt quite comfortable. She (INFP) finds it extremely ugly and unbecoming to not appropriate space with personal taste.
Something else this thread made me think of...
Do people think there's a difference between personal taste and good taste? Because I actually do. This may be where Fi vs Fe plays a role in judging beauty.
This thread title should be changed to Fe and agreeability. What Jung is really pointing out is that Fe taken to an extreme would rather forego its real opinion, simply to keep the peace. The fact that he chose to use art to illustrate the point, doesn't mean those with a strong preference for Fe don't know what beauty is. That is not what is going on here.
What if someone with a strong preference for Fe is out to dinner and rather than tell the waiter the food really stinks, they tell them their dinner is "fine." Well, surely you aren't going to suggest the person doesn't know what good food is now, are you? That would be silly.
The underlying issue is the same whether we use art or food to illustrate the point - a strong Fe preference would rather be agreeable, than disagreeable, in order to avoid conflict.
The underlying issue is the same whether we use art or food to illustrate the point - a strong Fe preference would rather be agreeable, than disagreeable, in order to avoid conflict.
I'm not trying to spark controversy here, Jag, but I think that Fi can manifest itself for a person to be conflict avoidant or agreeable as well.
I think that, if someone's opinion is shaped by Fe, this motivates them to consider the feelings of others to be socially conventional. This, by all means, does not mean that it is not their real opinion. It's just that their opinion is shaped moreso by external feelings than internal feelings.
One's internal feelings may dictate that they agree that the food is nice, even though their own standards determine that it is not. For instance, maybe the individual does not want to be slapped by the cook because this would not be acceptable by internal criteria.
I'm not trying to spark controversy here, Jag, but I think that Fi can manifest itself for a person to be conflict avoidant or agreeable as well.
I think that, if someone's opinion is shaped by Fe, this motivates them to consider the feelings of others to be socially conventional. This, by all means, does not mean that it is not their real opinion. It's just that their opinion is shaped moreso by external feelings than internal feelings.
One's internal feelings may dictate that they agree that the food is nice, even though their own standards determine that it is not. For instance, maybe the individual does not want to be slapped by the cook because this would not be acceptable by internal criteria.
I never said Fi couldn't. But this thread is about Fe. Controversy would be telling me I had the I.Q. of a North American, male, prostitute.
First of all I was addressing what Jung wrote. Go back to the OP. This is what I said about Jung's comments:
"What Jung is really pointing out is that Fe taken to an extreme would rather forego its real opinion, simply to keep the peace. "
I stand by my interpretation of what Jung was trying to convey.
It seems you glossed over my words, "taken to an extreme," and you now somehow think I suggested Fe won't ever give its real opinion.
That is not the case.