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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    lol. I post videos on youtube by myself all the time. Doesn't mean I'm an introvert.

    I actually edited my post and said you were NFP. that much I am 100% sure of. If you are anything other than NFP I will give you my left nut and I will suck your brother's nut sack.
    I think you are pretty good at typing. Why do you say NFP?


    Quote Originally Posted by small.wonder View Post

    highlander what do you guys make of this conflict topic? Is INFJ or INFP more capable of cutting to the chase and entering into necessary conflict? I can see the point about INFP being more raw and direct, but William Wallace is INFJ right?!
    They both seem to avoid conflict. I see INFPs as generally being more direct when they have a strong opinion on things. INFJs seem to play out these scenarios on how the person will react to their emotional response and moderate it for the effect they want to have on the other person. The raw part I see with IXFPs is that they seem to become much more emotional at times when they are upset and can't talk. You can see there is an intense response going on there. It is a little like the ENFP's response (who wear it on their sleeves) but it is muffled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I think you are pretty good at typing. Why do you say NFP?




    They both seem to avoid conflict. I see INFPs as generally being more direct when they have a strong opinion on things. INFJs seem to play out these scenarios on how the person will react to their emotional response and moderate it for the effect they want to have on the other person. The raw part I see with IXFPs is that they seem to become much more emotional at times when they are upset and can't talk. You can see there is an intense response going on there. It is a little like the ENFP's response (who wear it on their sleeves) but it is muffled.
    she has zero Se Qi. When I look at her I feel like I'm looking at gold leaf. extremely fragile.

    If I invited all my friends to have a nerf gun war in her house, she'd flip a shit.

    Typical INFP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    she has zero Se Qi. When I look at her I feel like I'm looking at gold leaf. extremely fragile.

    If I invited all my friends to have a nerf gun war in her house, she'd flip a shit.

    Typical INFP.

    DJ...you are so right brained....LMAO I can't keep up.

    I don't see why an INFJ wouldn't flip out either....lol ?

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    I don't know if this is going to help And please be aware...this all just goes from my experience...

    In the video Lady X posted...you see how goofy the one person seems and you see how held together the INFJ seems...?

    You seem like you're hiding your goofy...that to me is INFJ.

    INFJ hide themselves also becuase of Fe. They will sometimes even backpeddal...."where an INFP will say I see what you mean but... I disagree"...where an INFJ may even say "Oh, yea I shouldn't have said that your right, sorry."

    Fe is way more apt to appologize then Fi. Fi holds to its values pretty much no matter what.

    Your writing style...also seems INFJ...when DJ said something about sucking nuts...you just responded by dismissing it...

    I would think an INFP would run away with it....

    I would think Ne would say some pretty crazy stuff back to that....

    I don't go to my INFP friends for emotional reasons cause they're gonna give me advice...(which it's not a bad thing...I just don't look for that when I'm emotional)

    I go to an INFJ cause I feel like ...just for a moment...they step out of their shoes and into mine....they 100% everytime say the right thing at the right time.

    I feel like an INFJ could talk someone out of suicide. (I don't know about INFP's with that one cause I haven't experienced them in that way)

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    1) when I type someone I like to know what they would like to do with their life if they could wave a magic wand and knew they could fail.

    Also if your just having trouble with the last letter

    I know I have a J at the end....

    I can't think if things are a mess... I love everything to be in its place....

    Simple shit like crumbs being on a bed bother me....

    2) Do you like organization? (A person with a p will like it...strive for it but doens't usually care as much)

    The other question is if you have a J at the end...then you have Ni first...

    Ni asks What's the worst that could happen?

    Also What if?

    Everything is WHAT IF? to Ni.

    3) Do you think that you're asking What if a lot of the time?
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    I lean INFJ. You very directly answer the question, and the question only. INFPs go on tangents more- this question makes me think about this thing, and wait.. what was I talking about? Also, my Fi would end up making comments on the questions themselves- What do I think about fashion? What does this question have to do with anything? It's kind of a stupid question. So I'm going to talk about something else... Etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    I lean INFJ. You very directly answer the question, and the question only. INFPs go on tangents more- this question makes me think about this thing, and wait.. what was I talking about? Also, my Fi would end up making comments on the questions themselves- What do I think about fashion? What does this question have to do with anything? It's kind of a stupid question. So I'm going to talk about something else... Etc.
    I agree. However, I posted a short test and nobody seems to care one whit about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    I agree. However, I posted a short test and nobody seems to care one whit about it.
    In the thread? I didn't read the thread, just watched five minutes of the video (I have no patience for longer than that.) Show me the short test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    In the thread? I didn't read the thread, just watched five minutes of the video (I have no patience for longer than that.) Show me the short test.
    I don't know about you, but I had a strong feeling about her type within the first 5 seconds of the video (and then my old computer had to be rebooted). Thanks for showing interest in my test, here it is:

    (As with any test I make, every part of each question is important, for example: 4. My leadership style is subtle, gentle, indirect, and inclusive of others - emphasis on the AND. So it would best be read as - My leadership style is subtle AND gentle AND indirect AND inclusive of others.)

    Group A
    1. In school, I learn best in flexible situations where the teacher takes a personal interest in me.
    2. I sometimes focus on my dreams so strongly that I don’t see others’ points of view.
    3. I have a vision in mind of what I want and reality doesn’t always follow suit.
    4. My leadership style is subtle, gentle, indirect, and inclusive of others.

    Group B
    1. I tend to become attracted to a special “someone,” and I prefer one deep relationship over many superficial ones.
    2. My leadership style is quiet yet persistent as I make a determined effort toward long-range goals for myself, others, and the organization I work for.
    3. I have an internal picture of how I would like my work to contribute to the general good
    4. My leisure-time pursuits are either solitary or involve the company of others who are important to me.

    Group C
    1. When in love, I tend to cast aside all my future worries in order to focus on the relationship at hand.
    2. I am the type to take a unique, personal, and humorous approach that can make even difficult situations less tense and more fun.
    3. I prefer to decorate my work environment in order to make it a more pleasant place to be.
    4. As a leader, I prefer to persuade others by tapping into their good intentions.
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    @highlander, @Ene, @OrangeAppled what do you guys make of this conflict topic? Is INFJ or INFP more capable of cutting to the chase and entering into necessary conflict? I can see the point about INFP being more raw and direct, but William Wallace is INFJ right?!
    First, I think it's more important to ask WHY either would enter into a conflict?

    What motivated Joan of Arc and William Wallace [Ni/Fe users]? Two things, they were both Fe users and they both reverted to their Se under stress. So what does a combo of Ni/Fe do? It surveys the emotional climate and knows instinctively the right way to proceed with those around it. It considers others' feelings, often before it considers its own when responding to them. When Ni/Fe enters a room or a situation, it says something like, "Who can I connect with here? What can we learn from each other?" In a conflict, Ni/Fe first tries to be objective, to see the big picture and to take into consideration everyone involved. In the case of INFJ warriors it usually boils down to the fact that there is some grossly inhumane treatment of others who lack the power or knowledge to defend themselves, i.e, the poor Frenchmen in Joan's village, the Scotts who had been bullied for years by the English [hence, INFJs are called the protectors].

    Now what motivates Fi/Ne to conflict action? I have a good INFP friend in real life. I've never seen her actually engage in any kind of conflict. As a child, I actually tackled a boy twice my size, a big bully. The other boys had to pull me off him. She would NEVER have done that. She would have probably written letters to the teachers complaining about the bully or maybe she would have mumbled something derogatory every time someone mentioned his name.

    Recently, she was distraught over an article she read promoting the destruction of all cats. She was so upset that she wrote long, rambling letters to her senators and congressmen. She is NOT likely to engage in physical conflict. She seeks authenticity in the people she forms relationships with. Therefore, she can literally count her close friends on one hand. She is socially awkward, but she has a quiet cuteness about her.

    I found the following post on Personality Café and it links to a website: I thought it was pretty interesting and may be helpful in helping you to decide I'm sorry that it's lengthy, but sometimes it's necessary to be lengthy in order to present a viable set of criteria. I hope that there will be something in here, or in something some of us have said that will help you reach a decision on your preferred type.

    BORROWED FROM PERSONALITY CAFE


    When Fe is preferred:

    •You give attention to creating and maintaining harmonious relationships, often using social convention to keep harmony, to make people feel comfortable and included, and to keep the group intact.
    •Often you are at ease with social conversations and knowing just the right words to say to someone.
    •You easily disclose personal details to encourage others to express themselves.
    •You place importance on making space for the expression of feelings -- positive and negative.
    •You organize time, space, and thing in relation to the effects on people.
    •You often feel pulled to take care of everyone or even whole groups, either physically or emotionally. Meeting the needs of others is energizing until your own needs are ignored for too long.

    ******this is my own opinion***Hence: INFJs walk a line between introversion and extroversion. The are often popular and are at ease interacting with others. They will often/sometimescome across as extroverted and friendly, with just a hint of timidity. They may SEEM non-confrontational, and usually are. However, if push comes to shove, and they believe that some helpless group or person is being "hurt" by someone more powerful, they will show backbones of steal and sometimes, fists of iron.

    When Fi is a preferred process...
    •Often you have a gut feeling about whether personal, group, or organizational behavior is congruent with values.
    •You often check behavior for authenticity and against beliefs to maintain inner harmony. When that harmony exists, there is a sense of peace.
    •When you feel strongly, you point out contradictions and incongruities.
    •Fundamental truths are often the basis for your actions, and standing up for these truths is energizing and compelling.
    •Often, you do not put your values and beliefs upon others or share them publicly until they are violated. These values can be highly specific to the individual or universals such as freedom, loyalty, and goodness.
    •You tend to see everything as having a value (or worth), and view things in constant relation to one another.

    The N functions

    INFJs prefer Ni. They use it in the inner world, and it manifests through their dominant process. They use it in a "heroic" fashion -- It's how they "save the day."
    INFPs prefer Ne. They use it in the outer world, and it manifests through their auxiliary process. They use it as a "good parent" would -- helping others by exploring a multitude of possible outcomes, options, and potentials for people. They enjoy looking for patterns and themes associated with how people live life, often using their imaginations to explore fictional worlds.

    When Ni is a preferred process...
    •You usually feel a certainty about what is going to happen, often without much detail and without being able to trace the actual data that would support the prediction.
    •You focus on "what will be."
    •You are energized by transformational visions of how someone can grow or of a completely original approach to get there.
    •You are drawn to make those visions manifest.
    •Frequently you experience flashes of insight that present themselves as very broad themes and complex whole patterns or systems of thought without being triggered by external events.
    •Inner images come as a knowing that taps into universal symbols and with a certainty that they are true.

    When Ne is a preferred process...

    •Much reading "between the lines" occurs.
    •Potential possibilities and meanings are "revealed" and must be explored.
    •You feel fully engaged in emerging new approaches to doing things and are energized by discovering other perspectives in an ever-shifting succession of ideas or insights triggered by the particular situation, much like brainstorming.
    •You frequently experience a flight of ideas that brings relevant pieces of information from one context into another.
    •"What is" is not seen for what it is but for its relationship to other things.
    •Everything is perceived in a context of a web of relationships. Nothing stands alone or is disconnected.

    Tertiary functioning

    INFJ Tertiary
    Introverted Thinking (Ti)
    •Clarifying principles
    •Categorizing and classifying
    •Analyzing
    •Checking consistency
    •Universal

    "This is why . . ."
    "It does . . ."

    INFJs are drawn to categorizing. They display a knack for systematizing and can do it quickly. They typically define terms, or ask others to define theirs.

    INFP Tertiary
    Introverted Sensing (Si)
    •Reviewing
    •Linking
    •Comparing and contrasting
    •Noticing match and mismatch
    •Past

    "This is how it has always been."
    "This reminds me of . . ."
    INFPs are often well rooted in the past, with a good memory of things that have happened historically, and are attracted to "collecting" facts.

    The inferior function
    A typical aspect of the inferior function, which is also connected with its unadaptedness and primitiveness, is its touchiness and tyranny. Most people, when their inferior function is in any way touched upon, become terribly childish: they can't stand the slightest criticism and always feel attacked. Here they are uncertain of themselves; with that, naturally, they tyrannize everybody around them because everybody has to walk carefully. If you want to say something about another person's inferior function, it is like walking on eggs; people cannot stand any criticism there. A rite d'entrée is required. One must wait for the right moment, for a peaceful atmosphere, and then carefully, with a long introductory speech, one might get across some slight criticism about the inferior function.
    Let's start the investigation by looking at which cognitive processes show up in the inferior position in both codes. For the INFJ, extraverted Sensing shows up as the inferiority complex, and for the INFP, extraverted Thinking shows up as the inferiority complex.

    INFJs
    Written by an INFJ:
    And here's the crazy thing: whenever I would go out on acting auditions or do things where people were studying my looks, I wanted to die. I was soooooo self-conscious! I always felt like "I'm not pretty enough," "I'm not good enough." "They're noticing how ugly I am." I wanted to crawl under the chair and hide. Particularly for auditions when they videotaped me, I was always self-consciously thinking the camera picked up every wrinkle, my teeth were dingy, there were acne scars on my face, my hair was drab. I couldn't turn off this internal critic that would pick pick pick at me and tell me how unattractive I was! And of course this critic KNEW everybody else who was auditioning looked prettier, better dressed, more charming, more attractive. And I would do myself in time and time again in these situations. I always felt like I made a fool of myself by entering a Junior Miss Pageant in high school; I was a target for scorn when I tried out for the modeling squad in college.
    It's a funny disparity - on the one hand I typically receive more than my share of compliments from people when I step out in public (the showoff Ta Da Child!), and yet I have a dreadful inferiority complex about my looks. My internal critic tells me I'm a hideous hag, and I'm always trying to compensate. And yet I am perpetually attracted to acting/auditioning, modeling, showing-off! It's danged if I do, and danged if I don't. Naturally, I don't take the easy way out by just avoiding those situations - no, I am attracted to them like a moth to the proverbial flame.

    Now I need to emphasize here that my inferiority complex showed up around my appearance, but it also shows up around my accomplishments. It's about wanting to impress people. Other INFJs may experience their inferior in different ways related to their extraverted Sensing. Some INFJs express their Se through art, decorating, dancing, writing, or music, to name a few - so don't assume every INFJ is going to express their inferiority complex through what they wear. It often does have something to do with appearances, however - looking good or showing off!

    INFPs

    Often INFPs enjoy planning, organizing, or arranging things -- one of my clients loves putting together jigsaw puzzles! Another will analyze weight charts and use a bathroom scale regularly to achieve her optimal weight. And this is where the inferiority complex around Te will show up. INFPs sometimes become really upset when they don't organize things as efficiently as they would like to. Perhaps they think through the steps needed to accomplish something, and then don't follow through.
    In fact, Dr. Berens says that perhaps it is this aspirational use of Te that causes many INFPs to believe they have preferences for "J" rather than "P."
    So, INFPs think they're organized when they actually aren't that much.
    Written by an INFP:
    But then I reflected on my inferior Te. One thing it may mean is that I tend to be sensitive about being called wrong. Because as a matter of fact, I often am wrong. I make mistakes, and I can be downright illogical. But because I know that, and because I'm sensitive about it, I try especially hard to *avoid* making mistakes of that kind. And when someone points out one of my mistakes, I freeze and get apologetic or defensive. I'm also timid about doing anything that might involve Te. Playing a game like chess, for instance.
    Written by a friend of an INFP:
    I can laugh now that I understand why I'm that way and be thankful that a wonderful friend of mine says, "It's not clutter or disorganization, it's lots of 'you' all over the place - it's you! Besides you can always find whatever you want, I've never seen you really lose anything."

    Self-disclosure
    If you're comfortable divulging personal information about yourself (particularly to strangers), you're more likely INFJ. You may not even classify much information about yourself as being "personal" --depending on the situation, everything is fair game. If, instead, you're inclined to be private and generally tight-lipped about yourself and your personal life, you're more likely INFP.
    Here are the sorts of things that are topics of self-disclosure:
    •your beliefs about the world, yourself, and others
    •your values (what is important or not, what you like or don't, etc.)
    •your emotional responses to events or to others
    •your goals
    This tendency to self-disclose or not shows up readily on many homepage websites. INFJs tend to self-disclose. INFPs like it when others self-disclose, but they usually aren't in a rush to do it themselves. To confound matters further, INFJs self-disclose more than they imagine they do, and INFPs self-disclose less than they realize.

    The Time Machine
    Stand up and visualize time as a continuum flowing from future to past. Spatially indicate with your hands where the future, present, and past are, respectively, in relation to yourself. Try to actually FEEL where they are around you by touching them with your hands. After you have done so (for real! --not just in your head!), read this here below...
    This is far from foolproof but kinda creepy when it works.
    NJs tend to indicate the future in front of them, the present right where they are standing, and the past right behind them.
    NPs tend to indicate the future off to the right, the past off to the left, and the present a few feet in front of them.
    When questioned, NPs generally say that they observe time flow past them, whereas NJs generally say they are right in the middle of the flow.
    Annoyances
    INFJs will be annoyed by:
    •moralizing
    •generating options aloud
    •stalling on decision-making
    INFPs will be annoyed by:
    •too much social convention
    •not getting to explore option
    •people who seem "judgmental"
    Stress
    When the INFP is in a stressful situation, their initial reaction is to "freeze." How they do this is by "adapting" to the situation, usually accommodating others until they can adjust and be effective. They will let the situation play out and just go with what's happening. To others, it may look as though they are doing *nothing*. After they adjust to the situation, they will "flow." When there is conflict, the emotion they tend to express is "sad."
    When the INFJ is in a stressful situation, their initial reaction is "flight." How they do this is by "distancing" themselves from the situation, usually separating from the problem while buying time. They need to step back and consider what's going on. They tend to move away from what isn't liked, and sometimes even *stay* away from that. To others, it may look as if they are detached or are fleeing from the problem. But after they adjust to the situation, they will "face" the problem with a solution in hand. When there is conflict, the emotion they tend to express is "afraid."
    Time Management
    INFJ
    People with this style tend to be effective at laying out a plan with key milestones. Their natural tendency to track progress helps them know where they are in the accomplishment of a goal or task. They can be a positive influence on others as they help them schedule, plan, and set goals.
    The challenge for people with this style is in estimating the time a project will take. They may forget to include time in the plan for interruptions and other people's needs for using time differently. They also sometimes can get bogged down in details or may disregard certain details altogether if they don't fit with their picture of the end result.
    INFP
    People with this style often recognize that people are important in work or projects and factor that in when planning and managing their time. They tend to respond favorably to others' needs and requests and take the time needed to listen to others' input. Their ability to work with the ongoing process (formal or informal) and their talent for reconciling input helps achieve a quality result.
    People with this style are challenged when they don't have enough time to do all they want to do. Responding to others' needs and requests may not leave enough time to complete their own work to their satisfaction or to meet their own needs. Trying to get all the information possible can take more time than is available for the task.
    A student said to his master: "You teach me fighting, but you talk about peace. How do you reconcile the two?" The master replied: "It is better to be a warrior in a garden than to be a gardener in a war." - unknown/Chinese

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    I don't know about you, but I had a strong feeling about her type within the first 5 seconds of the video (and then my old computer had to be rebooted). Thanks for showing interest in my test, here it is:

    (As with any test I make, every part of each question is important, for example: 4. My leadership style is subtle, gentle, indirect, and inclusive of others - emphasis on the AND. So it would best be read as - My leadership style is subtle AND gentle AND indirect AND inclusive of others.)

    Group A
    1. In school, I learn best in flexible situations where the teacher takes a personal interest in me.
    2. I sometimes focus on my dreams so strongly that I don’t see others’ points of view.
    3. I have a vision in mind of what I want and reality doesn’t always follow suit.
    4. My leadership style is subtle, gentle, indirect, and inclusive of others.

    Group B
    1. I tend to become attracted to a special “someone,” and I prefer one deep relationship over many superficial ones.
    2. My leadership style is quiet yet persistent as I make a determined effort toward long-range goals for myself, others, and the organization I work for.
    3. I have an internal picture of how I would like my work to contribute to the general good
    4. My leisure-time pursuits are either solitary or involve the company of others who are important to me.

    Group C
    1. When in love, I tend to cast aside all my future worries in order to focus on the relationship at hand.
    2. I am the type to take a unique, personal, and humorous approach that can make even difficult situations less tense and more fun.
    3. I prefer to decorate my work environment in order to make it a more pleasant place to be.
    4. As a leader, I prefer to persuade others by tapping into their good intentions.
    I wanna do this test. Do you pick the most accurate number from each of these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devi View Post
    You vibe like an INFP. Though what are you like when you're stressed out?
    I don't really get anxious, so it usually takes a lot of stress to get to me-- I've been told I have a calm, anchored presence.

    This is the only stress example I can think of: I used to work admin in a really unhealthy business environment, that was understaffed and the employer brushed lot under the rug. On a normal day, I was under a pretty ridiculous amount of stress with far too much work for one person. If any of the other (also stressed) employees talked down to me, or told me to do x thing, I would respond very curtly. "No, I cannot do that because I obviously have 8,000 other things that I am presently working on!" Usually I'd apologize for my tone a few minutes later, but still maintain that I could not accommodate their request.

    I suppose I struggle much more with frustration/annoyance than with stress. I'm not sure if this answers your question or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Here's another short test, one that is not so easy to decipher types:

    Group A
    1. In school, I learn best in flexible situations where the teacher takes a personal interest in me.
    2. I sometimes focus on my dreams so strongly that I don’t see others’ points of view.
    3. I have a vision in mind of what I want and reality doesn’t always follow suit.
    4. My leadership style is subtle, gentle, indirect, and inclusive of others.

    Group B
    1. I tend to become attracted to a special “someone,” and I prefer one deep relationship over many superficial ones.
    2. My leadership style is quiet yet persistent as I make a determined effort toward long-range goals for myself, others, and the organization I work for.
    3. I have an internal picture of how I would like my work to contribute to the general good
    4. My leisure-time pursuits are either solitary or involve the company of others who are important to me.

    Group C
    1. When in love, I tend to cast aside all my future worries in order to focus on the relationship at hand.
    2. I am the type to take a unique, personal, and humorous approach that can make even difficult situations less tense and more fun.
    3. I prefer to decorate my work environment in order to make it a more pleasant place to be.
    4. As a leader, I prefer to persuade others by tapping into their good intentions.
    Hey Mal+, thanks! Hmm...I don't know that I relate totally to any of the groups but:

    Group A
    1. Yes.
    2. Yes.
    3. I've experienced this to some extent.
    4. Eh, subtle and inclusive of others, but I also tend to provide challenge.

    Group B
    1. Yes, though not just one deep relationship-- that's co-dependent in my mind. I prefer a handful of deep relationships over many (or any) superficial ones.
    2. Somewhat, though my long term goals are more like ideas that can change a bit with time and new info. I don't create goals for others, that's their job.
    3. Yes.
    4. Yes.

    Group C
    1. I tend to be present focused as is.
    2. No.
    3. Yes.
    4. Not really.
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