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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Well, this comes primarily from the anti-S/pro-N atmosphere created by Ns who don't understand typology very well. This is really, really pervasive (even worse than here) on INTP central and INTJ forum.

    If I may quote an INTJ forum thread asking, "What is the difference between ISTJ and INTJ?"



    The pretentious aura from this style of INTJ can be pretty suffocating. It sometimes leads S types who are new to typology to label themselves Ns because it's assumed that if you're an S, you're stupid or inferior, and nobody wants to label himself that way.

    In reality, most ISTJs don't want to be INTJs because they value Si more highly than Ni. Si is probably the most poorly understood of all the functions in general and so a lot of inaccurate garbage is written about it.

    The ISTJs who do wish they were INTJ generally hold Ni to some magical standard, like some kind of superpower, when in reality it's not nearly all it's cracked up to be. INTJs have a number of significant weaknesses; they're just really good at hiding them in most cases so they seem less vulnerable than they really are.

    I doubt that any ISTJs are consciously lying about their type when they claim to be INTJ; they probably just don't understand the system well enough yet to accurately determine their own types.

    There are a lot of real strengths in the ISTJ approach that are totally lost on INTJs, though, so don't worry about the nonsensical anti-S bias that you'll encounter on typology forums. It's to be expected on N-dominated forums, but it's a lot of bullshit.
    I feel you here. I have a few good friends who are INTJs, and while they are some arrogant bastids, they don't act like cats on here. At the same time, they aren't students of MBTI; in fact I was the one who introduced them to it, and they tested INTJ.

    I also noted that a lot of people on here are high school/college aged. There must be some message being fed that because they are intuitives they are somehow special because they are less frequently found. Or it could be that their Ni is leading them to believe this. I didn't have MBTI when I was in high school; I took it in college and at the beginning of my career, but it was more for helping to understand how you interact with others. If anything, I wanted more to be an 'E' than an 'N'. This N phenomena only seems to appear online.

    Whatever the case it's not about what you have, but what you do with what you have. Ni might be the cool thing to have on this board but it's nothing if you can't function in the real world, which is dominated by Sensors. I just hope this doens't go any further than these boards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    If you want to see the problems with Ni at its worst, I have two words for you: Dale Gribble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    In some ways, INTJs are like turbo-ISTJs. They have many similarities, but everything with the INTJ is bigger-picture.

    And it's not really like this at all with INTPs and ISTPs. INTPs aren't ISTPs in overdrive. Maybe because we both share Ti dom in most cases. And INTJs/ISTJs have Ni/Si.
    We are half way overdrive since we are tert Ni and you are tert Si. Ni IS ZOMG FRICKIN AWESOMENESS TIMES 10 MILLION

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    In some ways, INTJs are like turbo-ISTJs. They have many similarities, but everything with the INTJ is bigger-picture.

    And it's not really like this at all with INTPs and ISTPs. INTPs aren't ISTPs in overdrive. Maybe because we both share Ti dom in most cases. And INTJs/ISTJs have Ni/Si.
    I agree with you there. Both of my boys who are INTJs are like me, but not exactly like me. They definitely are more sure in their rightness than I am. For one of them it almost cost our friendship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    I never understood this...some of the threads I come across on this board make it seem that ISTJs want to be INTJs so bad, that some of them will label themselves as such and pretend.

    Not sure why this belief exists?

    Is the perception that ISTJs are somehow the inferior type?

    Any ideas?
    Well, it's the N's who tend to acquire superiority complexes, so that'll be more apparent on a forum that's inundated with INxx's. That happens though because many/most INxx's had some issues growing up in terms of fitting in, feeling understood, and relating to their peers. Many INxx's felt like total oddballs/aliens growing up, so a forum consisting mostly of INxx's would tend to embrace/advertise the more N qualities and how awesome it is to be an N. ha.

    I can tell you about my ISTJ mom, though; she knows a little bit about mbti, because I've mentioned it offhand off and on, and she tests as a solid ISTJ. But she finds the concept of mbti kind of silly and doesn't understand why I'm interested in it, and I can almost guarantee that she'd find real-life INTJ's equally incomprehensible/strange and wouldn't want to 'be' them at all. She's quite happy with who she is, from what I gather.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    Well, it's the N's who tend to acquire superiority complexes, so that'll be more apparent on a forum that's inundated with INxx's. That happens though because many/most INxx's had some issues growing up in terms of fitting in, feeling understood, or even relating to their peers.

    I can tell you about my ISTJ mom, though; she knows a little bit about mbti, because I've mentioned it offhand off and on, and she tests as a solid ISTJ. She also finds the concept of mbti kind of silly, and I can almost guarantee that she'd find real-life INTJ's equally incomprehensible/strange and wouldn't want to 'be' them at all.
    On a serious note isnt MBTI about theory and Si about detail, dont they contradict each other where theory kinda kills the detail. INTPs are into it because they like to logically play with the details. You will screw up an ISTJ majorly if you start to play with his details
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    Well, it's the N's who tend to acquire superiority complexes, so that'll be more apparent on a forum that's inundated with INxx's. That happens though because many/most INxx's had some issues growing up in terms of fitting in, feeling understood, and relating to their peers. Many INxx's felt like total oddballs/aliens growing up, so a forum consisting mostly of INxx's would tend to embrace/advertise the more N qualities and how awesome it is to be an N. ha.

    I can tell you about my ISTJ mom, though; she knows a little bit about mbti, because I've mentioned it offhand off and on, and she tests as a solid ISTJ. She also finds the concept of mbti kind of silly, and I can almost guarantee that she'd find real-life INTJ's equally incomprehensible/strange and wouldn't want to 'be' them at all.
    Good point about the Ns standing out, and that awkwardness somehow becoming a superiority complex at some point.

    I'm sure the older you get, the more comfortable you are in your own skin, and the less likely you'll want to be anyone other than yourself.

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    As far as feeling inferior, not exactly. The two types that are different from me by one letter that I've most often felt a bit envious of are ESTJ, because they seem to get so much done and have more energy because they don't need alone time as much, and INTJ, because they rarely seem to care what other people think about them. (That is how I personally have often percieved them) But, I really am pretty happy being me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    I also noted that a lot of people on here are high school/college aged.
    Personally, there is one reason why I would want to be an intuitive. As stated in a book I own (TypeTalk by Otto Kroeger and Janet M. Thuesen), intuitive learners are more favored in college settings than sensing learners. Sensors are favored all throughout elementary, middle, and most of high school, with rote memorization, etc. Then when we get to college, a wrench is thrown at us, since most professors are now intuitive and thus write tests favoring intuitive thinking. Therefore, if most people on here are college-aged, as IZthe411 says, then the sensors here might come to believe that intuitives are now the "better" and "smarter" group because in college, it's usually intuitives who seem to really "get it". It is my competitive nature and desire to become highly successful in life that makes me wonder if such a goal might be easier as an intuitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MBTI Enthusiast View Post
    Personally, there is one reason why I would want to be an intuitive. As stated in a book I own (TypeTalk by Otto Kroeger and Janet M. Thuesen), intuitive learners are more favored in college settings than sensing learners. Sensors are favored all throughout elementary, middle, and most of high school, with rote memorization, etc. Then when we get to college, a wrench is thrown at us, since most professors are now intuitive and thus write tests favoring intuitive thinking. Therefore, if most people on here are college-aged, as IZthe411 says, then the sensors here might come to believe that intuitives are now the "better" and "smarter" group because in college, it's usually intuitives who seem to really "get it". It is my competitive nature and desire to become highly successful in life that makes me wonder if such a goal might be easier as an intuitive.
    College could be easy for sensors- if they didn't make all those general studies type courses requiried. Some of them were interesting, but some of them were a plain waste of time and money. If it was just my major classes that I needed to pass, I'd been at the top of my class.

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