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    Quote Originally Posted by Natrushka View Post
    What I've read is that the military tends to mold as xSTJ, also. I think FineLine found this to be the case. My father tests as a weak E, getting weaker as the years pass and he becomes more 'himself' - in the Military he was forced to be an extrovert (command officer).
    I would guess the STJ "mold" if I had to choose without having read the thread first. On the field, you need people who are dependable/consistent, who can take orders immediately, and who are not prone to emotional displays or loss of control. You also need people who believe unquestionably (if possible) in the values of the institution. E/I are both useful in the military, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I would guess the STJ "mold" if I had to choose without having read the thread first. On the field, you need people who are dependable/consistent, who can take orders immediately, and who are not prone to emotional displays or loss of control. You also need people who believe unquestionably (if possible) in the values of the institution. E/I are both useful in the military, though.

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    This makes sense. I think this idea is highly dependent on what a person's role in the military is, though.
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    ESTJ's are cool, successful (the ones I know) and driven, this leads to a workaholic type situation with some of them, but you got to admire that kind of dedication.

    Male ESTJ's are sexy but much as I like all that power in them, I don't think I would survive a long term pairing with one, my "head in the cloud attitude" might drive them insane lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I would guess the STJ "mold" if I had to choose without having read the thread first. On the field, you need people who are dependable/consistent, who can take orders immediately, and who are not prone to emotional displays or loss of control. You also need people who believe unquestionably (if possible) in the values of the institution. E/I are both useful in the military, though.

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    I thought that was pretty good.
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    (Healthy) ESTJs are fine, in small doses. Living with one is too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natrushka View Post
    I only know one, my dad. We get along well, better now that we're both older, though. I suspect he was an N before joining the military, however.
    This seems to be the case with me also, now that I'm older and not under more direct control by my dad, it's much easier to get along with him.

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    I view ESTJ's as going by objective decision making but not objective in perceiving things and others. I think that they are very goal oriented and expect everyone to have the same goals and are status seekers.

    I think ESTJ's are hard workers and like following the rules and whatever they think is the best- they want everyone to have and they feel sorry for people if they don't have what they deem as "best". They usually have very yuppy taste. This is very frustrating if you have your own style and don't care what the trends are and what society deems as successful. I think ESTJ's demean people without even realizing it because they can't even see other people's perspectives that well at all. They tend to be very practical and look down on or are incredibly confused of those who are not.

    I think ESTJ's are very responsible and feel a sense of duty and can take on the role of mother hen quite easily and tend to take charge. They do not think outside of the box as they depend on the tried and true methods. Female ESTJ's seem to be the bossiest women I have ever met. I think that they feel that, See I have measured up by these objective standards therefore I am the most qualified to lead and take charge and everyone should listen to me. They tend to have high ego's and high ambitions. I admire their drive and dependability.

    ESTJ's (ISTJ's second) get me the least of any type. I seem to fail all their pre-requisites for a correctly lived life and they just do not understand me whatsoever.

    There are good and bad things about all types- I think for me though-ESTJ's are just built to be my main conflict. There is actually a couple of ESTJ's that I get a long with well and are friends with but there are way more that are my worst enemies mostly because I feel constantly demeaned and belittled by them and am constantly irritated that they can't be more objective in their perceiving others and the world around them. Also I don't like to tell people what to do and I don't like to be told what to do so I don't like types that try to dominate me and also "take over."

    ESTJ's I feel want everyone to be the same and I want everyone to be different. I think I am a threat to ESTJ's values. I think I am as frustrating to an ESTJ as they are to me. I don't think ESTJ's are bad people just that we are made to conflict with each other it seems and cannot help it. I don't think ESTJ's are even aware of themselves and as a nonconfrontational INFJ- I am not even going to bother telling them. Even if I did though I don't think they could help it- because it is simply the way we are made= our make up naturally butts heads.
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    ESTJs are valiant allies in the war we must wage against all iNtuitards!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nocturne View Post
    ESTJs are valiant allies in the war we must wage against all iNtuitives!
    I don't think my girlfriend would like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nocturne View Post
    ESTJs are valiant allies in the war we must wage against all iNtuitards!
    This sounds like something my ISTJ best friend would say. Except that he has enough T to realize that the N picks up where the S lacks and vice versa.
    But that's off topic.

    I have a female ESTJ friend and I have a lot of respect for her. She's intelligent, motivated, successful and capable.

    However, she has trouble with any kind of abstract or critical thinking. She has a tendency to look at matters as they are on the surface without really taking the time to understand them. She can be snobby and elitist sometimes and tends to rush headlong into projects or plans without taking the time to think them through and decide if the project in question is really such a good idea.
    But that motivation often leads her to accomplish things that I would just sit around and talk or think about doing. It's a good quality that can sometimes get her in trouble.

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