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    Quote Originally Posted by 111 View Post
    INTJs care too much about themselves to be considered as objective as INTPs are. Ni-Fi is prohibiting you from being truly rational, truly logical, truly robotic... It's obvious that this inversion is not the thing you had in mind when starting this thread, but the truth is as cold, as unpleasant, and as beautiful as usual.
    INTJ and INTP both care, but care differently about different things. What may appear as an INTJ's "personal crusade" is usually something that improves a situation for everyone, sometimes even at the expense of themselves. This will be much more visible than how INTPs care about something because INTJs place more value on acting in the outside world. INTPs will care just as much, but be satisfiied with establishing "the truth" as a concept, something far less visible to the casual observer.

    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    Thinking tells you what something is
    Feeling tells you what something is worth

    Te = "someone told its a virtue"(what open mindedness is) Fi: "because i feel i am the best, i have to be open minded"(what i am worth)
    Stop at the highlighted, and I will agree with you. An INTJ decides what something is by looking at external reality (Te), and decides what it is worth by looking at internal values and beliefs (Fi). INTP does more of the reverse, having the same functions but oppositely oriented. Yes, INTJs often feel driven to be knowledgeable, competent, perhaps even "the best", but not because anyone tells us this. We also will come up with our own definition of what "best" is. The world holds up many characteristics as virtues; most of these have little value to us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caesar View Post
    INTJs I've known always have intense, fiery emotions boiling just beneath the surface. Immature INTJs who want to appear robotic often deny their emotions so vehemently you can only smile knowingly and pat their fluffy little heads.
    Yep, hehe. So cute.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caesar View Post
    I have met INTPs who seem a hundred times more robotic if you don't know them (needless to say I do, and I know first hand they're not robotic, but their emotions are carefully buried, like a mine).
    Yep, hehe. So cute.

    Quote Originally Posted by raine_lynn View Post
    In fact, is it really that hard to believe that an INFP might consider life easier without all of those pesky emotions?
    Only if they’re wimps. One doesn’t have to be ruled by one’s emotions/feelings in order to have the vital benefit and reconnaissance of their input.

    Quote Originally Posted by 111 View Post
    Poor INTJs talk like robots, act like robots, treat you like robots, care about you as much as robots do, and just like robots, lack the humour detector and auto-irony module, yet, suprisingly, no one seems to express the will to fathom their rich inner emotional realms, those which exist only in reference to their own well being.

    Yes, Zarathustra, I completely agree with you. INTPs are more rational, more self-critical, they more easily detach themselves from the constraints of their feelings when assessing a problem and are thus more objective when critical thinking is concerned, hence, "more robotic on the inside."

    Unlike INTJs, who, in addition, don't poses their innate aversion towards overreaching conclusions, mysticism and similar regressive inhibitions, INTPs are lucky they don't have to cross that egoistic emotional barrier in their goal of distilling knowledge into truth.

    Excluding the objective rationality of the INTPs, INTJs are the robots in all other aspects - they are the cold, selfish machines efficiently executing complex tasks with their auto-destruct sequences overriden.


    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    By the way, many, many threads on this forum suffer - or, rather, benefit - from the same problem. Remember the Best King thread?
    Dude that thread rocked.

    Quote Originally Posted by 111 View Post
    What is it? The things that reek of truth are to much for you? You need something irrational, like the illusion that your egocentric INTJ emotionality is a virtue towards which we should strive, to grasp onto? Your unwarranted, idiotic arrogance that you have been flashing from the very start is nonsensical.

    Is this a poll or an exam? Are you expecting opinions or waiting for the right answer? How is this supposed to convince anyone that your intentions are benevolent, that you are not using robotic in a deprecating manner and that you're not here to gloat at someones supposed ignorance?

    INTJs care too much about themselves to be considered as objective as INTPs are. Ni-Fi is prohibiting you from being truly rational, truly logical, truly robotic... It's obvious that this inversion is not the thing you had in mind when starting this thread, but the truth is as cold, as unpleasant, and as beautiful as usual.
    You’re new here, I take it.

    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    Just pointing out the symmetric observation. Neither argument is particularly compelling, except insofar as tert (and inf) are somewhat useful for pointing out blind spots, but the relationship to "open-mindedness" per se is a bit of a stretch. The tert doesn't make one feel or think that one is open-minded or that it is good to be so, but rather points out those areas where, no matter how open minded one really is, one doesn't see the blind spots. Other people upon encountering those blind spots might make an observation of close-mindedness or stubbornness.

    W/r to "open mindedness" in general, I have found that regardless of type, those who believe that they themselves are open-minded and chide others for being close-minded tend to bring up the topic on precisely those matters about which they themselves are quite stubbornly resistant to changing their own opinions, and are quite unaware of the unintended irony of their assertions. It's definitely a human foible, kind of like the Dunning-Kruger effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning...3Kruger_effect), where those who are competent tend to underestimate their competence, while those who are incompetent tend to overestimate their competence. Similarly, those who are close-minded tend to overestimate their open-mindedness, while those who are truly open-minded tend to worry whether they're being open-minded enough.
    Uumlau, wise as ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mia. View Post
    One doesn’t have to be ruled by one’s emotions/feelings in order to have the vital benefit and reconnaissance of their input.
    Wise words, Mia!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Because a) your post (#12) only somewhat shows it...
    I wasn't aware that post #12 revealed the entirety of my thinking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    ...and b) there would have been better ways to achieve whatever you are trying to achieve here with a thread less circular.
    Well, that could be true.

    I didn't look for the most effective possible way to do it -- I had an inclination, so I went for it.

    But, to be honest, you'd have to know all of my intentions to know whether this is actually the case.

    Frankly, apart from that early idiocy from Riva, the thread's pretty much done exactly what I want it to.

    Quote Originally Posted by 111 View Post
    What is it? The things that reek of truth are to much for you?
    No, it's that what you wrote was stupid.

    Quote Originally Posted by 111 View Post
    You need something irrational, like the illusion that your egocentric INTJ emotionality is a virtue towards which we should strive, to grasp onto? Your unwarranted, idiotic arrogance that you have been flashing from the very start is nonsensical.

    INTJs care too much about themselves to be considered as objective as INTPs are. Ni-Fi is prohibiting you from being truly rational, truly logical, truly robotic... It's obvious that this inversion is not the thing you had in mind when starting this thread, but the truth is as cold, as unpleasant, and as beautiful as usual.
    It's funny to watch you do the exact same things you accuse INTJs of doing.

    Quote Originally Posted by 111 View Post
    Is this a poll or an exam? Are you expecting opinions or waiting for the right answer?
    Both.

    Quote Originally Posted by 111 View Post
    How is this supposed to convince anyone that your intentions are benevolent, that you are not using robotic in a deprecating manner and that you're not here to gloat at someones supposed ignorance?
    I'm sorry.

    Apparently I scared your little emotions.

    Try being here for more than two days before you start shooting off emotionally from the hip.

    To be honest, though, you sound more like a young, immature INTJ (we've seen plenty like you) than an INTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raine_lynn View Post
    In fact, is it really that hard to believe that an INFP might consider life easier without all of those pesky emotions?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mia. View Post
    Only if they’re wimps. One doesn’t have to be ruled by one’s emotions/feelings in order to have the vital benefit and reconnaissance of their input.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Wise words, Mia!
    The funny thing is, the troll tried to troll me for "not being open-minded enough to consider" what @raine_lynn said, when, the truth is, I thought it was so obvious that INFPs might consider that, I didn't find a response to be interesting/necessary.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    The funny thing is, the troll tried to troll me for "not being open-minded enough to consider" what @raine_lynn said, when, the truth is, I though it was so obvious that INFPs might consider that, I didn't a response to be interesting/necessary.

    Your insight knows no bounds dude.

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    Here is an INTJ robot pic.
    I never found any INTP robot pics though.

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    Excuse me, Mr. Stage Manager:

    I've already seen this performance a few thousand times.
    Will we be getting a new play in soon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Excuse me, Mr. Stage Manager:

    I've already seen this performance a few thousand times.
    Will we be getting a new play in soon?
    Wrong forum, lady
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    Idea! Let's summon all the INFPs to see whether they agree with raine_lynn.
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