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    ISTJ's are technically in a high status than us. Bring ISFP's and ENTP's to beat ISTJ's.

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    Every ISTJ I've seen or met on and off the forum have been very disagreeable. One of my good friends is and ISTJ, and even there, I experience infuriating thinking differences, namely that he focuses upon what he's experienced instead of possibility or probability, almost as though he has no ability to think theoretically or in the abstract, which to me is frustrating to say the least. I don't know if this is something that ISTJ's in general are afflicted with, but if so, then I can't imagine gelling to well with them, because I value artistic and theoretical thinking, not the respect for societal structure, cultural norms and rules that the ISTJ is apparently interchangeable with, none of which are respectable to me.

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    Every ISTJ I've seen or met on and off the forum have been very disagreeable. One of my good friends is and ISTJ, and even there, I experience infuriating thinking differences, namely that he focuses upon what he's experienced instead of possibility or probability, almost as though he has no ability to think theoretically or in the abstract, which to me is frustrating to say the least. I don't know if this is something that ISTJ's in general are afflicted with, but if so, then I can't imagine gelling to well with them, because I value artistic and theoretical thinking, not the respect for societal structure, cultural norms and rules that the ISTJ is apparently interchangeable with, none of which are respectable to me (the respect for those things, that is).
    Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion man.

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    It really depends on the strength of the Ne and Si traits. It's pretty common for Intuitives and Sensors to not get along; N and S are probably the two things that most impact a person's personality.
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    I've had a relationship two ISTJs and another for a sister-in-law. In general, they seems a little uptight, but once we get comfortable with one another, it seems to go well enough unless you tell them something they don't want to hear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktorin Zylinder View Post
    I've had a relationship two ISTJs and another for a sister-in-law. In general, they seems a little uptight, but once we get comfortable with one another, it seems to go well enough unless you tell them something they don't want to hear.
    I have a similar situation with my ISTJ sister. She has a very "na-na-na-can't-hear-you" style of arguing. Kind of annoying, really.

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    I don't think ISTJ and INTP are good pairings. The only reason why is because Ne is the fourth function of ISTJ's. They have trouble using the function. Ne is one of INTP's constantly used function. It's a recipe for disaster if they were in a romantic pairing together.

    Here's an entire article about people who have trouble using their inferior function when it manifests negatively.
    Socionics - the16types.info - MBTI: Form of the Inferior Function

    As you can clearly see, Ne if the loathe and inferior function. This doesn't apply to INTP and ISTJ but other pairings when paired up with someone who has their strongest function as their weakest point. ESTJ and INTP is much better do to the fact the functions are complementary.

    ESTJ- Te-Si-Ne-Fi
    INTP- Ti-Ne-Si-Fe

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    As far as I can tell, my stepfather is an ISTJ. He's a friendless, anal retentive, irritable man who spends his leisure time cleaning the house and doing yard work. Very sensitive ego, and doesn't like his authority questioned.

    Needless to say, we've never gotten along.

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    Not generally a good pairing. The ones I've been around would constantly try to sabotage me, take credit for what I do, order me around, get in my way, and prevent any show of intelligence. They were also narrow-minded and obsessed with trying to make it seem as though everyone was stupid, and as though they were the only ones that knew what they were doing. Everything had to be spelled out for them, and they would constantly annoy about irrelevant things.

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    Hmm.

    After reading through this thread, I must say that I think people should beware of pigeonholing based on bad experiences with a couple of individuals. As with anything, there is a wide gamut of different individuals in any one type. On the one hand, I can see why some people have bad experiences with some ISTJs, but I don't think that should reflect on the entire population of ISTJs. There are probably plenty of INTPs who are rude, condescending, belligerent, etc. or are otherwise insufferable people but that doesn't mean that any of the INTPs here necessarily have those qualities.

    Furthermore, it seems reasonable there are types that get along more and less well and it may be that INTPs and ISTJs are a pairing that aren't quite as 'naturally' compatible. I think that's fair (although I haven't extensively researched INTPs or compared side-by-side all the possible type combinations). But I just want to reiterate the importance of not attributing bad qualities of one shitty person to an entire group. I also think how well you get along with someone has much more to do with that person as an individual than with each person's personality type--individual differences among the same type are still significant. I'm a pretty reasonable, intelligent person; I'm not a person who is inclined to blindly follow rules, [I think] I have pretty original thoughts, and I'm quite capable of seeing other peoples' points of view.

    Anyway, I'm sure I'm not saying anything here that you all don't already know, but since there are few ISTJs here to stand up for our type, I figured I may as well try. :P
    So what if I don't have a lot to talk about?/
    I shut my mouth and keep it locked until it counts/
    And what if I don't ever want to leave my house?/
    Stay on the couch while all my friends are going out/
    I'll make the journey down the hall back to my room/
    And kill more time, and let it rot inside its tomb/
    See, I ain't one to climb some social ladder to/
    Some Shangri-La that all the cool kids will abuse/

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    A lot of these comments are interchangeable. You can change the rants about ISTJ with any other Myers-Brigg type such as INTP or ESFJ and nothing would had changed. What this means is that the rant about ISTJ don't have a particular meaning.

    Anyways, I'm curious about ISTJ and INTP pairing strictly looking at the cognitive functions. @cameo Do you think ISTJ and INTP pairing are good? Do you think it's a good idea for people to pair up with others when their weakness is their strongest point? ISTJ have weak Ne and which is INTP's most frequent function.

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