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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    Be honest Jack, doesn't everybody fit in that category?
    Oh, no.

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    Ti craves order from its analysis, so yes.
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    I like the quote. It doesn't suggest there's a lack of tolerance for various points of view, but a need to find the unifying, big picture that creates such a chaotic multiplicity. There has to be a truth hidden somewhere within the differences of opinion or observation. It can be an enjoyable and entertaining search to find it, even when the effort ends in failure (or loss of interest.) It's what Einstein spent a lifetime trying to do with the universe. If he failed to achieve his final, self imposed challenge, at least he found those other truths that others could only speculate, and disagree about. Too often chaos is a clever way of saying "we haven't got a clue" and that can be offensive to some INTPs (based on other responses I've read here, it's not true for all of us.)

    Maybe I like it because of the middle age bit.
    “Naked to unknown forces, fortune evades mere understanding. The trial of effort.
    The dream of change. Such a place might Hell be to thought and action.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Accept View Post
    It's what Einstein spent a lifetime trying to do with the universe. If he failed to achieve his final, self imposed challenge, at least he found those other truths that others could only speculate, and disagree about.
    Einstein was obsessed with field theory. That's what led him to derive the theory of relativity. Even on his death bed he was scribbling down incomplete field theory equations in the hope others could later use them. Field theory was his model of choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Accept View Post
    Too often chaos is a clever way of saying "we haven't got a clue" and that can be offensive to some INTPs (based on other responses I've read here, it's not true for all of us.)
    The real world is chaotic. It would take an inordinate amount of effort to work with the real world as it is. We need to draw the line somewhere. That's where models come in handy. They allow us to make assumptions that may not be completely true, but get us close enough without sacrificing too much.

    Take Black Scholes for example. It won the nobel prize for economics. The Black Scholes model for pricing options makes some assumptions about price, volatity, interest rates, etc. It is now well know that these assumptions don't hold water. Yet billions are made using this formula to price options every day.

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    I can't start my day without morning sex and a strong coffee!
    ... They say that knowledge is free, and to truly acquire wisdom always comes with a price... Well then,... That will be $10, please!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demigod View Post
    I can't start my day without morning sex and a strong coffee!
    Sex in the morning is good for enhancing performance throughout the day, for men at least, but what does it have to do this this thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInNerSpace View Post
    Sex in the morning is good for enhancing performance throughout the day, for men at least, but what does it have to do this this thread?
    Absolutely nothing, in a normal context. But in terms of chaos and order, morning sex and strong coffee are relevant.
    ... They say that knowledge is free, and to truly acquire wisdom always comes with a price... Well then,... That will be $10, please!

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    Perhaps; however, there are perks to chaos.

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    Lost: No argument on those points, but Einstein was still driven by a need for absolutes, or the big picture. This is the man who said "I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details." I can only speculate that his distaste for chaos came from a belief that there are mysteries that create an illusion of chaos, simply because we lack awareness of some universal truth that makes sense of it. When he spoke of it at all, it wasn't in support. This is a man who believed it was possible to know everything, but probably understood how unlikely it was that we would achieve such an end result. For my part I dislike chaos theory when it is used as an excuse for what we don't yet understand, but even in the earlier post I never suggested that chaos is always used as an escape clause.

    I am comfortable with the quote, perhaps you are not. What I know is that you made obvious points I have no reason to oppose. The world is chaotic, we require assumptions in many aspects of living (some work better than expected, some worse) and Einstein was obsessed with field theory. I think each of those statements are correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Accept View Post
    Lost: No argument on those points, but Einstein was still driven by a need for absolutes, or the big picture. This is the man who said "I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details." I can only speculate that his distaste for chaos came from a belief that there are mysteries that create an illusion of chaos, simply because we lack awareness of some universal truth that makes sense of it. When he spoke of it at all, it wasn't in support. This is a man who believed it was possible to know everything, but probably understood how unlikely it was that we would achieve such an end result. For my part I dislike chaos theory when it is used as an excuse for what we don't yet understand, but even in the earlier post I never suggested that chaos is always used as an escape clause.

    I am comfortable with the quote, perhaps you are not. What I know is that you made obvious points I have no reason to oppose. The world is chaotic, we require assumptions in many aspects of living (some work better than expected, some worse) and Einstein was obsessed with field theory. I think each of those statements are correct.
    I agree. I'm not arguing. I'm debating, or trying.

    EDIT: Maybe I don't completely agree. I'm trying to say chaos (not necessarily chaos theory) is a fact of life. If we want to make progress we have to deal with it somehow. I don't believe chaos is an excuse for something we don't understand. It's true that in the future we may well be better able to model the natural world close to the way it is with less abstraction than we use now. This has already happened. We are in a better position to more accurately model nature than we were even 20 / 30 years ago. That increased accuracy is a result of advances in technology and understanding. If you are saying chaos is just a name for something that is too complex to model directly at this moment in time, then I do agree.

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