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    Quote Originally Posted by targo View Post
    well in your case with work you have to be as you are.

    When i refer to my style there is nothing passive about it. You can tell that I am pissed, but I am sickly sweet about it. There is a sureness in my voice, a calm before the storm type of tone. I know what should have happened and it didn't, I don't beat around the bush at all. I use it mostly when I go into restaurants The excuse me but I am missing half of my order.... I know what is owed to me, I know what standards are to be upheld and I make sure they know that I know.
    Oh, okay. I know what you're talking about. My wife and I used to go out to restaurants with another couple, and the ENFP wife in the other couple used to put on quite a show sometimes. Going to a restaurant with her could be quite an adventure sometimes.

    As an introvert, I'm not comfortable working up a lot of public emotion. If a waiter/waitress screws up an order, I'll just politely walk them through the order again. If it looks like it's going to be a regular problem, I'll take my business elsewhere next time. I tend to want to remain above petty problems like that and not notice them. I want to keep the mood light and fun, so I'll let a lot of small things slide.

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    an adventure that is a polite way to put it

    I never ever ever get mad at the server it is not their fault if the cook made an error, I am quick to make that clear.

    I typically reserve my distaste for McD's drive thrus....
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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    I value being able to discern a good idea regardless of how well it is communicated. My ideal is to be able to glean a 'good' idea from someone who is overly timid, rude, painstaking, or possessing any other communication flaw. I'm not always capable, but tend to admire this ability in others and work to sharpen it in myself. I weary of too much emphasis on packaging and style over thinking.

    That's the beauty of having Thinking as your dominant function! This skill could be so easily developed as if to seem that it comes natural to you, quite a diasappointment that so many INTPs on INTPc still lack that. Essentially, a well developed Ti, when not interefered with by functions that are superior to it should enable you to obtain a state of mind where it only matters what is said and not how it is said. Yet again, so far, I've seen this mentality in abundance only among NTs who had extensive exposure to philosophy, the rest were seemingly just trying to drive their point home by all means necessary--just so they can have their way and appease their vain prejudices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    Yet again, so far, I've seen this mentality in abundance only among NTs who had extensive exposure to philosophy, the rest were seemingly just trying to drive their point home by all means necessary--just so they can have their way and appease their vain prejudices.
    I would think extensive exposure to philosophy is the result of a certain kind of open mindset, not the cause of it, but I guess that could be a chicken or the egg discussion. And come to think of it, there probably isn't an either or here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I think the generic NT approach can be either positive (it points out the holes in ways that are more questioning in nature, asking for clarification rather than seeking to dismiss) or negative (it just wants to disprove and discount).
    Well said. I suppose there is a parallel negative NF approach. Perhaps we NFs get so focused on facilitating a feel-good atmosphere that we end up ducking the issues.


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    Quote Originally Posted by targo View Post
    an adventure that is a polite way to put it

    I never ever ever get mad at the server it is not their fault if the cook made an error, I am quick to make that clear.

    I typically reserve my distaste for McD's drive thrus....
    I can imagine you giving them hell at the drive-up window.

    One evening my wife and the other couple (INFP husband and ENFP wife) went to a trendy-but-overpriced fancy restaurant. Before the food even came, the ENFP wife made us change tables five times--the air circulation wasn't right at one table, the lighting was too dim at another, another was too far from the other diners, etc. And that was just the start of the evening.

    That was just her way of doing things. She was determined that we should have a dining experience commensurate with the exorbitant prices we were paying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FineLine View Post
    Before the food even came, the ENFP wife made us change tables five times--the air circulation wasn't right at one table, the lighting was too dim at another, another was too far from the other diners, etc. And that was just the start of the evening....She was determined that we should have a dining experience commensurate with the exorbitant prices we were paying.
    Oh god, I would have been crawling UNDER the table (the first one) at that point. The Introvert thing just... hates that sort of conflict over surface details that can just be easily flexed to instead, rather than imposing on someone else.

    But considering restaurant prices nowadays, I guess your friend had a point. I hope you left a healthy tip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Oh god, I would have been crawling UNDER the table (the first one) at that point. The Introvert thing just... hates that sort of conflict over surface details that can just be easily flexed to instead, rather than imposing on someone else.

    But considering restaurant prices nowadays, I guess your friend had a point. I hope you left a healthy tip.
    Well, the ENFP makes it such a production (see Targo's description of her emotional display in such situations), that the attention is all on her. For the rest of us, it's kind of a lark. The rest of just tag along and enjoy the grand drama of it all.

    It was when you're alone with her that it became a problem. Her husband and my wife both complained of it. They wanted to spend quality time with her; but her attention was all over the place, she was complaining about the food, she was demanding to see the restaurant manager, etc.

    (ENFPs have a strong Ne, which means they attach meaning to every stimulus, big and small. Hence they can get equally as upset or provoked by insignificant details as by big events. They need to moderate their Ne with their Fi, by choosing to sift through stimuli and tune out unimportant ones. Otherwise, their Ne runs rampant, they get hung up on petty details and can't distinguish what's important versus unimportant, and they get stressed out and ill from overstimulation.)

    We always used to tip well when going out with Jane (the ENFP). She didn't like our doing that, but it seemed only fair.

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    I have to laugh at the thought of the grand drama of it all. I am not so verbal in my discord with things as I tend to lack self esteem. Yet when I leave I give my husband an earful and he rolls his eyes at it all and asks why I didn't say anything.

    Or it could be that I have just tamed the Ne Beast within Oh man that is so funny!


    oh I forgot to mention that I have been conscious of saying sorry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carebear View Post
    I would think extensive exposure to philosophy is the result of a certain kind of open mindset, not the cause of it, but I guess that could be a chicken or the egg discussion. And come to think of it, there probably isn't an either or here.
    This is a claim that I can well grant. Closed-minded people tend not to gravitate towards philosophy. Though one can still say that despite them being open-minded enough to desire extensive exposure to philosophy, being where they are at, they still may not have the sufficient faculties to focus exclusively on what is said and pay little or no attention to the way it is said or who says it. Hence it is after their studies of philosophy they acquire the skills necessary to accomplish this.

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