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    While social cliche may perhaps be a genetic root of the archetypical process formation, what we humans think of as cliche in our everyday life are perhaps not quite meaningful enough concepts to have much connection with jungian archetypes that can actually affect our psyche. I would think of today's cliche as perhaps the seed of an archetype a million years down the road? maybe, interesting to think about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    I am terrified of seeing my insides. Aren't we all?
    Naturally we never see our insides, rather we feel them with our proprioceptive sense; we don't see them with our visual sense.

    So you are quite right, most of us are terrified of seeing our insides because we don't see them, we feel them.

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    Indeed. Seriously, I saw my insides once. I had to get a "punch biopsy" done on my leg tissue. They pretty much take a hole puncher and punch a hole in your flesh. And then pull it out. And then there's a gaping hole. I almost passed out. You're not supposed to see your insides.

    More interesting to me is our focus on how well we know something. Why does it become cliche? Because we need to emphasize how fully we know something, but it is hard to demonstrate the extent and/or depth of knowledge completely. Hence cliche?

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    Bob's your uncle. I have to see a man about a horse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chawie View Post
    While social cliche may perhaps be a genetic root of the archetypical process formation, what we humans think of as cliche in our everyday life are perhaps not quite meaningful enough concepts to have much connection with jungian archetypes that can actually affect our psyche. I would think of today's cliche as perhaps the seed of an archetype a million years down the road? maybe, interesting to think about.
    Yes, cliches and archetypes are interesting to think about, so do let us know what you are thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    More interesting to me is our focus on how well we know something. Why does it become cliche? Because we need to emphasize how fully we know something, but it is hard to demonstrate the extent and/or depth of knowledge completely. Hence cliche?
    A cliche is a saying that has been in a million mouths.

    But worse there is a cliched way of speaking that looks cool but limits our ability to think and feel with each other.

    So we speak in a cliched way in order to belong, to conform, to be cool, to control and limit ourselves and each other.

    And mbti is an extreme way of speaking cliched.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Yes, an Australian or an American is an archetype.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
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    There are about 20 million Australians. So it is obvious that an Australian is an archetype for 20 million people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    There are about 20 million Australians. So it is obvious that an Australian is an archetype for 20 million people.
    being an australian can give you an cultural identity(and work as an part of persona) and guide your actions that way, but it doesent fit the definition of an archetype.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    being an australian can give you an cultural identity(and work as an part of persona) and guide your actions that way, but it doesent fit the definition of an archetype.
    We know our argument has reached its nadir when we start arguing definitions. However 'archetype' comes from the Ancient Greek 'archétypon' meaning a 'mold'. And so 'Australian' is the 'mold' for 21.5 million people.

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