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    Think of it more like this as explained before, everything as you know it has a science behind it, even if it isn't perfect logic it's still logical. This is in the sense that everything has a theory behind it not yet completed because we don't know enough yet to complete this theory. That as I believe it applies to everything in life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonJT View Post
    Ok so the label is just semantics. That's fine.

    If you are using science to address physical truths, how can you expect it to address the metaphysical?
    The supposed metaphysical is a manifestation of psychological patterns that came about as an evolutionary byproduct of other cognitive developments, and have no actual correspondence with things as they exist?

    It's very difficult to learn about anything from a metaphysical perspective, since solipsism is the natural logical progression of those perspectives. Solipsism is completely useless as a way of understanding things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    The supposed metaphysical is a manifestation of psychological patterns that came about as an evolutionary byproduct of other cognitive developments, and have no actual correspondence with things as they exist?
    Are you asking me or telling me? It sounds like you have reached a conclusion on this already and are just telling me what you feel. But I'd just like to make sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    It's very difficult to learn about anything from a metaphysical perspective, since solipsism is the natural logical progression of those perspectives. Solipsism is completely useless as a way of understanding things.
    I do not agree with this, at all. I think solipsism to be a useless crock of shit (and it seems like you do too?).

    I'm not sure what you are saying or asking me here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonJT View Post
    Are you asking me or telling me? It sounds like you have reached a conclusion on this already and are just telling me what you feel. But I'd just like to make sure.
    That would be a scientific explanation for the metaphysical, if true.

    I do not agree with this, at all. I think solipsism to be a useless crock of shit (and it seems like you do too?).

    I'm not sure what you are saying or asking me here.
    There are few metaphysical concepts that wouldn't be better explained by solipsism, which we agree, is useless.

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    Everything is quantifiable would be better than saying everything is science.

    Science relates to knowledge we have obtained. Not all knowledge in the universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feops View Post
    I suppose one could put this forward as "Science is belief in understanding".

    It does not need to conflict with spiritual values... though it will conflict if those spiritual values are not open to change. This is the common point of contention, as it is commonly perceived that to adjust ones values is to admit to being wrong. Or perhaps to question one's values might be seen as a lack of dedication. I find this a curious stance as opposed to one where one seeks to continually improve oneself. A keystone of Science is the ability to doubt, question, revisit old theories, examine new evidence. It invites a humble aspect.
    Ironically humility is a fundamental teaching of a lot of religions. Perhaps the problem lies not in the teachings of the religions but how they are practiced.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Everything is quantifiable would be better than saying everything is science.
    The problem with this is that it is clearly a false statement. For example when you classify an organism by kingdom, phylum, class, etc... you are making a qualitative judgement rather than a quantitative one. Quantitative judgements are more important in Physics and Chemistry than they are in the other sciences.
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    if by everything you mean inference, then yes, everything is science.

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    Actually, Everything isn't Science. Science is a method. A method for gathering information about that natural world. We use this information to make theories about how the natural world works. Sometimes this leads to some crazy-ass ideas, but its an ongoing process.

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