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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    So why should we believe you are INTP, or that I am inTP, or that anyone here is INTP? Surely there is some way to empirically discover the secret.
    There is no way to empirically discover the secret. If there was, it wouldn't be a secret. That's why people on this website, as @Saturned alluded to, tend to put faith in others' "MBTI status". Those that don't also don't really give a damn about the opinions of the people they are typing unless those opinions give weight to their own reasoning.

    If I had to guess, I would say the most well liked type in the states is ENFJ, while the most admired type is ENTJ. Psychologically, INTJs aren't a far cry from ENTJs, but they lack the qualities that make the ENTJs on par with ENFJs in terms of how "good" they are. They tend to come across as melancholic because they either retreat from the world or silently navigate it if it is agreeable to them. Developing or accepting a code of honor is (I would guess) key to them finding their circumstances negotiable and ultimately satisfactory on some level.

    As far as "the grass is greener" thing, the only things I've been praised as by NTs is being "psychic", "funny", or "charismatic". On the other hand, they also give me a lot of shit because I try to be "okay" with everything while also participating in everything. It can be a recipe for disaster unless feelings of envy, on my part, are dealt with properly.

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    I ike the well rounded intjs, but the one sided ones not so much, i think maybe thats true for all types, and i often wonder if the one-sided ones are mistyped and trying too hard to live up to the description
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    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    There is no way to empirically discover the secret. If there was, it wouldn't be a secret. That's why people on this website, as @Saturned alluded to, tend to put faith in others' "MBTI status". Those that don't also don't really give a damn about the opinions of the people they are typing unless those opinions give weight to their own reasoning.
    But we put faith in all sorts of other self-assessments people issue: that they are good cooks, or a bit clumsy, have a dry sense of humor, are loyal to their friends, etc. We often cannot tell the validity of these claims from a member's online behavior. Personality type is a bit more comprehensive, but not always that easy to discern. That is why it makes sense to give people the benefit of the doubt.

    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    I ike the well rounded intjs, but the one sided ones not so much, i think maybe thats true for all types, and i often wonder if the one-sided ones are mistyped and trying too hard to live up to the description
    What is your definition of a "well-rounded INTJ"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    But we put faith in all sorts of other self-assessments people issue: that they are good cooks, or a bit clumsy, have a dry sense of humor, are loyal to their friends, etc. We often cannot tell the validity of these claims from a member's online behavior. Personality type is a bit more comprehensive, but not always that easy to discern. That is why it makes sense to give people the benefit of the doubt.
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    But we put faith in all sorts of other self-assessments people issue: that they are good cooks, or a bit clumsy, have a dry sense of humor, are loyal to their friends, etc. We often cannot tell the validity of these claims from a member's online behavior. Personality type is a bit more comprehensive, but not always that easy to discern. That is why it makes sense to give people the benefit of the doubt.


    What is your definition of a "well-rounded INTJ"?
    someone that can hold their own with out becoming a whiney bitch. someone who when realizes he or she might be wrong doesn't twist the other person's words around. not annoying @highlander is a good example of a well rounded INTJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    It doesn't work for me as you describe, though. I will see your listed type as INFP and perhaps think your behavior is consistent with that. If you then change type to ENTP, I will think, "she still seems like an INFP, but perhaps she is exploring, or uncertain, or just comes across as INFP on the forum". If you listed ENTP first, I might think, "OK, but she often acts like an INFP. Either I don't know her well, or perhaps she is confused." This is also how I would phrase a type challenge: not "you aren't/don't seem ENTP", but rather "this specific behavior seems atypical for an ENTP".
    Oh, ok. That makes a lot of sense. Thank you for clarifying. Much more systematic than my hop scotch attempts at such things.

    The highlighted is the point I was trying to make in one of my earlier posts. Also, people overlook some of the more negative INTJ type descriptions, like this one from Similarminds:
    Yes. Your tribe is pretty unflinching when it comes to seeing your own negative qualities.

    I think some non-INTJs see our type with rose-colored glasses, in the spirit of your "grass-is-greener" observation.
    Yes. My friend has spent a long time trying to get me to come down from my clouds and be more pragmatic, and I have proven rather resilient to such things. I think an element of pragmatism and seeing things as they are is good, but there isn't anything wrong in emphasizing the positives. It's all a balancing act.

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    Because some people don't see 'INTJ' and just identify with all the sweet parts (then become INTJ ). Some others just havn't given typology a chance, but others just want to be...



    INTJ and INTP actually sounds pretty cool. Say it and listen to the way the letters leap to one another...ahhh. Satisfying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    I honestly don't care, except to say that you shouldn't bitch about others types unless you're 101% sure of yours
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    (I seriously don't think that the OP is guilty of this herself, but) we see a lot of assertions that such-and-such a person is reaalllly type xxxx, only to change their own type to something else the next day.

    How can you 'accurately' type if you don't have a solid frame of reference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousFeeling View Post
    Most NFs mistype as INTJs because they think that because they're academically motivated and logical that they are in the "T" camp. Some also may be hardened from their experiences, so they'll withhold their "F" traits to appear tougher and more in command/control, hence taking on an INTJ face. It makes them feel stronger about themselves, that nobody is going to hurt them again if they take on an NT guise. INFJs that have been hardened and more cynical about the world may mistype as INTJ. Goes with the thought of , "why not cling onto T-traits as a backup plan, logic doesn't hurt your feelings, whereas other people do."

    "But I like books and learning!"...can be any type in this case, wisdom expands throughout all types.

    Also erroneous thinking that because you're rational and organize your external environment it means you automatically have Te. Fe organizes things as well as Te. It can appear Te-like in a commanding environment. So some people that are like this may type themselves as INTJ. Even those interested in systems may mistype as INTJ.

    It pretty much is the type that fits like a suit of armor for people to protect their most vulnerable aspects of their psyche. Whatever their personal experiences are.
    Quote Originally Posted by minutegovt View Post
    Because some people don't see 'INTJ' and just identify with all the sweet parts (then become INTJ ). Some others just havn't given typology a chance, but others just want to be...



    INTJ and INTP actually sounds pretty cool. Say it and listen to the way the letters leap to one another...ahhh. Satisfying.
    I see both of these tendencies, especially the latter.

    I see lots of people who are just simply nerdy (shy, essentially lives online, enjoys intellectual stuff) will type as INTJ and INTP. There is some glamor to the types (all the various celebrity types, which can spark some very silly arguments), but it's really just that the stereotypes match their self image.

    I see INTJs occasionally mistyping as INTPs, because they don't feel like they have the orderliness of a J.
    I see ISTJs occasionally mistyping as INTJs, because they're intellectual and rather smart.
    I see INFJs occasionally mistyping as INTJs, because (as CF mentioned) they've developed a hard, cynical edge.
    I see ISTPs occasionally mistyping as INTJs, because they're more practical than INTPs.

    I usually don't think it's because of the "coolness factor", though. Just an overall misconception of what the type means. If one thinks of type in a "result-oriented" way, then one is one's type because one fits the stereotype. If one thinks of type in a process-oriented way (as I do), then one is one's type because of how one thinks and processes information and ideas.
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    I could reasonably see anyone that is socially awkward/intelligent/ambitious/insecure thinking that they are INTJ. If you decide on your type just from one online test or from reading a cookie cutter description, then it's easy to pick out a few key lines that identify you and discard the parts that don't. Also, most online descriptions make INTJs seem good at all of the things that traditionally make people seem successful.

    MBTI can often be a way for people to sweep their problems under the rug and feel like they're awesome just because their type is normally good at something. You see it all the time in INTJs, or people that think they are INTJs...excusing themselves from learning/practicing social skill because of their type, like everyone should just understand that they're an INTJ and deal with it. The funny thing is, the same INTJs/posers that act that way seem to be to be the ones that suck at the traditional INTJ strong points, as well (career/power/money/academic success/etc.) because they think that they should be naturally good at it so it must not require additional work. It's easy for an INTJ to be cocky just because they're an INTJ even when they have nothing to substantiate it, and I think that possibility is attractive to people who feel powerless.

    Really, though, I'm not very convinced that there are that many INTJ posers, except for the people that are openly unsure of their type. I think that there are just a lot of immature INTJs that no one wants to claim and those tend to be the people that proclaim their INTJness the loudest.
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