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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    4,5 and 8 aren't true of him
    I disagree with you on those, but it's not worth arguing since that still leaves six you agree with; according to the DSM you only need five to qualify for NPD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    I disagree with you on those, but it's not worth arguing since that still leaves six you agree with; according to the DSM you only need five to qualify for NPD.
    I don't agree with the other 6, I just agree that the ones I mentioned are blatantly not true. as for the others, I'm not sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I don't agree with the other 6, I just agree that the ones I mentioned are blatantly not true. as for the others, I'm not sure.
    I guess what I'm trying to get at (since clearly your interpretations are different from mine) is do you think narcissists exist... or do you think they are just misunderstood Dark Workers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    Actually, I don't have to make the case about Trump, because others already have. For example, a point by point case for the diagnostic criteria (with Trump quotations) case is made here (and remember, you only need five of the nine diagnostic criteria). Mentions of Trump as a clear narcissist are here, here, here, here, here and many other places.


    For the visually inclined, there is this:


    Which is so over-idealized as to be laughable, complete with clouds parting behind trump's head in halo-like fashion. Other fun trump quotes:

    "All of the women on*The Apprentice flirted with me - consciously or unconsciously. That's to be expected."

    "If I run and if I win, this country will be respected again. I can tell you that."

    "I think I probably have more experience of anybody [in the GOP field] — whether I sell them real estate for tremendous amounts of money. I mean, I've dealt with everybody. And by the way, I can tell you something else. I dealt with Gaddafi. I rented him a piece of land. He paid me more for one night than the land was worth for two years, and then I didn't let him use the land. That's what we should be doing. I don't want to use the word 'screwed,' but I screwed him."

    On the White House's release of Obama's birth certificate: "Today I am very proud of myself because I have accomplished something that nobody else has been able to accomplish."


    I find it hard to imagine someone more narcissistic (although it's perfectly possible to imagine someone equally narcissistic and less successful). If you don't see Trump as narcissistic, is there anyone you do?
    I wonder if he thinks he's still good looking. Because he's really, really not.

    Regarding picture: Paris Hilton's apartment is apparently filled with photographs of HERSELF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    I guess what I'm trying to get at (since clearly your interpretations are different from many) is do you think narcissists exist... or do you think they are just misunderstood Dark Workers?
    no, they do exist, it's just that they're misdiagnosed about as much as ADD. whenever there is a flamboyant, stylish person with a cocky personality and high self confidence, people immediately jump to "he's a narcissist!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I wonder if he thinks he's still good looking. Because he's really, really not.

    Regarding picture: Paris Hilton's apartment is apparently filled with photographs of HERSELF.
    Yeah, I think she's the other "successful" exemplar of over the top narcissism in pop culture. She doesn't even have the excuse of making her own fortune.

    Not that Trump's fortune was entirely self-made, either. And his repeated financial troubles and bankrupts are typical for a narcissist's lack of caution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    Yeah, I think she's the other "successful" exemplar of over the top narcissism in pop culture. She doesn't even have the excuse of making her own fortune.
    Also note: Donald Trump hasn't been good looking IN A LONG LONG TIME. In fact, I don't ever remember him being handsome at all. I'm just referring to that painting, which may have been done decades ago.

    K...that portrait was probably painted in the early to mid 80's as far as I can tell:



    The years have not been kind. And neither has he.

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    OOOOH OooH...it's like the Portrait of Dorian Gray! Where the good looking man starts to look like what he looks like on the inside!

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    This "system" seems like a watered down version of the DnD alignments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbringer View Post
    This "system" seems like a watered down version of the DnD alignments.
    they actually are similar, except the correlations aren't necessarily
    evil and darkworker
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    good and lightworker

    it's more

    lawful and lightworker
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    chaotic and darkworker

    some examples of heroic darkworkers are

    - Zorro from the Mask of Zorro (both of them, but the older Zorro was more polarized)
    - Han Solo
    - Lloyd Irving (Tales of Symphonia)
    - Zelos (Tales of Symphonia) not as polarized as Lloyd though
    - Lelouch vi Britannia (Code Geass) his actions and goals are very lightworker-ish, but the motivation behind them is darkworker. Lelouch does what he wants to, but he feels no obligation to serve others. Suzaku on the other hand is a lightworker, motivated by duty and service. Lelouch has reached the highest levels of darkworker
    - Kamina (Gurren Lagann)
    - Keaton (Gurren Lagann)
    - Crim (.hack//sign)
    - Kurama (Yu Yu Hakusho) he doesn't look like it much of the time, but he is VERY darkworker
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