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    Death is a bit dramatic, society is more resilient than that. I'd say it's more like society's ingrown toenail or society's unsightly mole.
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    I truly think that MBTI has the potential to inhibit the abilities of an individual. I also think it creates an unnecessary prejudice, especially when ignorance about the system is shuffled into the concoction. So we attempt to scrounge up correlations between MBTI and every facet of life. In the end, it's all subjective and fallible, but most do not treat it as such. Irrationality is a tyrant.

    I'm not that vehemently opposed to MBTI. It is the least of our worries. If anything, we shouldn't attempt to bind individuals of individual abilities to preconceived slates. Instead, people should introspect and process their preferences in an attempt to set a chart for their success. After they change and develop, they should repeat the process. They might walk the road less traveled, though they might not.

    Carl Jung's intentions were to accentuate the substance of the individual, but I think Briggs and Meyers detracted from the individual. Likewise, Carl Jung's theories were based off of inductive reasoning, dissecting himself and others. As a result, the holistic view of societal potential was lost, and the individual was lost with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post


    Also, on behalf of the SPs and SJs (less so): using Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs as a comparison, is quite insulting to these two temperments who are then "wallowing" at the bottom of the pyramid, having yet to achieve the top tier of self-actualization, etc. As if, the higher level needs only exists in NTs and NFs. And, since, one cannot get to the top of the pyramid without having all the bottom needs met, this makes NFs and NTs, some idealized "healthy" humans, implicitly then having all the bottom tiers' needs met, and the SJs and SPs are stuck at the bottom.

    Finding common words in other theories that match with the words used in MBTI, etc., lingo, is kinda reaching...a lot. Death to wild analogies of MBTI. I call bullshit!

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    This was not my intent. My intent was to draw a comparison between society and the individual. When you deprecate the individual, you sever the reciprocal relationship between society and the individual. It's all connected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    I truly think that MBTI has the potential to inhibit the abilities of an individual.
    Nah. An individual has the potential to inhibit her own abilities. No matter what tools she uses.

    rest TL;DR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    I can't reveal too much in public, but let's just say the cult has its leaders and it has its followers. But if you have something to trade, we could talk in the back room.

    Move along, citizens. Move along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chloee View Post
    Nah. An individual has the potential to inhibit her own abilities. No matter what tools she uses.

    rest TL;DR.
    And therefore the individual should arbitrate his/her own abilities, rather than making the conscious decision to refer to a personality map. Sometimes maps have uncharted territories. In conclusion, self-accountability should not be maimed. When you make a statement like "oh, I'm an Fe user, so I can't do that", you're limiting your worth. You're trying to play a poker game with a minimal hand; even though all 52 cards are in your back pocket. So you simultaneously lose the game while blaming the system.

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    If someone is doing that with MBTI they are going to do it with something else. "I'm blonde so I don't understand your joke (giggle, giggle)"

    If people are as weak as you act like they are how are you going to be able to help them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    And therefore the individual should arbitrate his/her own abilities, rather than making the conscious decision to refer to a personality map. Sometimes maps have uncharted territories. In conclusion, self-accountability should not be maimed. When you make a statement like "oh, I'm an Fe user, so I can't do that", you're limiting your worth. You're trying to play a poker game with a minimal hand; even though all 52 cards are in your back pocket. So you simultaneously lose the game while blaming the system.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    I truly think that MBTI has the potential to inhibit the abilities of an individual. I also think it creates an unnecessary prejudice, especially when ignorance about the system is shuffled into the concoction. So we attempt to scrounge up correlations between MBTI and every facet of life. In the end, it's all subjective and fallible, but most do not treat it as such. Irrationality is a tyrant.

    I'm not that vehemently opposed to MBTI. It is the least of our worries. If anything, we shouldn't attempt to bind individuals of individual abilities to preconceived slates. Instead, people should introspect and process their preferences in an attempt to set a chart for their success. After they change and develop, they should repeat the process. They might walk the road less traveled, though they might not.

    Carl Jung's intentions were to accentuate the substance of the individual, but I think Briggs and Meyers detracted from the individual. Likewise, Carl Jung's theories were based off of inductive reasoning, dissecting himself and others. As a result, the holistic view of societal potential was lost, and the individual was lost with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    If someone is doing that with MBTI they are going to do it with something else. "I'm blonde so I don't understand your joke (giggle, giggle)"

    If people are as weak as you act like they are how are you going to be able to help them?
    If they're too weak to sift information that I or anyone else offers them, then I cannot be held accountable for their actions. Some people are too spoon-fed to emancipate themselves from being coddled. Others might read what I say and comprehend. I'm going to speak out because that's what I feel I was put here to do. If you're not willing to vocalize, or even resound a message you agree with, then you're betraying the mouth you were born with. Simple as that.

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