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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Or understanding that B and C are irrelevant . B and C only really pop up when you have to explain the logical chain to others. The connection between A and D in one's own head are apparent enough to make a coherent connection.
    This is also quite true to me..

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Exit View Post
    This is just common sense.. No?... I mean anyone who is half aware of things knows that every day could be their last, and that life in general hangs by a delicate thread..
    Not even that - more that in a very real sense, your life is already over, and that when you're looking back on the thirty years to come, you'll feel as if it took no time whatsoever.

    Scary, scary thoughts. I guess that's why I like Vonnegut so much - the idea of a static universe where time is simply a function of perception based on human evolution, and that all points in time are just as omnipersistent as all others is very comforting.

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    Alright, back to discussion mode...

    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post


    I think you might be an N.
    Well, yeah, you think that because I only listed the reasons I had thought I was N and didn't share the reasons I was more certain I was Si-dom. (if you want to read those, they're in that Si thread).

    I hate sci-fi. Though I do I have a prediliction toward horror...I like political and sociological theory. The fact that you like facts over novels may simply make you a T as opposed to an F. You very well may be an NT.
    I like horror too (well... some horror). The NT temperament doesn't fit me at all. I despise intellectual superiority (and most NTs will admit they harbor some, even if they have the social skills to keep it on the back-burner). I know nothing about the hard sciences, am terrible at chess (I've never known an NT admit to that!), and have no interest in the future. I like routines, like the past, I'm on speaking terms with organized religion, believe most people are pretty smart, and only throw around words like "pedestrian" when I'm half drunk

    I just don't see this at all. I don't see a lot of people as having Ne. I think we just aren't using the same definition of Ne and that's why you think you see it everywhere.
    That's exactly my point. That the definition of Ne MUST be something more than brainstorming, making connections, formulating theories and preferring concepts to details.

    Ne is pedestrian? What the hell are you talking about? How can function be "pedestrian."
    Yeah yeah... I'll punish myself for using that word. Trust me.

    No one is comparing the common ability to brainstorm to the ability to mind-read.
    Alright, poor word choice aside, there is a difference. People who use the function Ni as commonly defined are basically psychic, people who use Ne as commonly defined would fit right in playing Apples to Apples at my house. I'm just saying there's a major difference in terms of what I've encountered.

    You've totally lost me. More over, you seem angry and defensive and snarly. You've seemed that way the entire thread. I think people have every right to define Ne just as much as there is a thread about using Si. I didn't see you jumping up and down and denying that Si exists over there.
    Don't misunderstand me - I have no doubt whatsoever that Ne (or any other function) does exist. I just think that it has been defined as something much simpler than what it actually must be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I think that Ne people are VERY random - that is an important word you brought up there, Nunki.
    Indeed they are, but I think this randomness often isn't as random as it seems. When you make connections between weird things, it's because you recognize some kind of link--those things fit, based on some familiar pattern. Other people often overlook the link, and so to them it seems random, but to the person who created it, it makes perfect sense.

    So really, Ne is like storing unconscious templates for patterns, which you can then use to make spontaneous connections. You can also use those templates to notice when something is missing or incongruous. For example, I find it extremely easy to notice when someone is embroidering the truth or leaving out details--they're doing something that doesn't fit with the pattern, so to speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Not even that - more that in a very real sense, your life is already over, and that when you're looking back on the thirty years to come, you'll feel as if it took no time whatsoever.

    Scary, scary thoughts. I guess that's why I like Vonnegut so much - the idea of a static universe where time is simply a function of perception based on human evolution, and that all points in time are just as omnipersistent as all others is very comforting.
    Scary yes.. But also very interesting.. care to elaborate a little more so a silly little Ixxx like myself can grasp it better?

    I know time is an illusion.. A man made construct to catalog our linear existence..

    Perhaps all points in time co exist simultaneously.. But what use is that to a lineal existence.. except foresight .. and hindsight (for practical reasons of learning lessons)

    As for foresight .. doesn't it very existence change simply by the fact it has been observed?? or does the observation set into motion the chain of events that will make it so??

    damn.. !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nunki View Post
    Indeed they are, but I think this randomness often isn't as random as it seems. When you make connections between weird things, it's because you recognize some kind of link--those things fit, based on some familiar pattern. Other people often overlook the link, and so to them it seems random, but to the person who created it, it makes perfect sense.

    So really, Ne is like storing unconscious templates for patterns, which you can then use to make spontaneous connections. You can also use those templates to notice when something is missing or incongruous. For example, I find it extremely easy to notice when someone is embroidering the truth or leaving out details--they're doing something that doesn't fit with the pattern, so to speak.
    ISFP's are supposed to be able to do this with Se, and do it better than any other Type.. so how is it an Ne thing??

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Ok. Cool. For the record I think you're smart, and I think you've expressed some really interesting ideas in other threads, so don't take anything that I've said personally, either.
    Thanks. I think the same of you and the ideas you've posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    ^^ Big picture is more P than N, as is enjoying learning beyond simply what's practical.
    You're the first person I've heard suggest that. In everything I've read, those were considered N over S.

    Also, the big difference between Ne and what you're talking about isn't immediately apparent. Sure, brainstorming is a big deal. However, it's more the understanding that everything has an implicit effect on other things, and not only that, but immediately seeing those chains of logic, that makes Ne what it is. It's not so much "these are the logical connections between things (which is a function of Thinking)" as much as it is "If I do this, because of what I know about, this, this and this, I can be fairly certain that this will be the outcome".
    Maybe. If it's something "intangible" than I definitely see where that's lacking in me - and in most Ss. But let me give an example: comedy (well... good comedy) is often mentioned as a Ne dominated field - it was in this thread as well. I can see that in the case of comedians who truly make obscure connections - say, Steve Martin or Stephen Colbert. The fantastical is substituted for the realistic. But on a thread earlier this month about Jon Stewart, I was the only one who suggested he was likely a Sensor. Besides the fact that he's funnier than most people (okay, everyone) I know, I don't see that he uses any kind of functional wizardry in his routine. It all seems pretty grounded and basic to me.

    Now, please - I don't bring that up to start a discussion about Jon Stewart's (or any other comedian's) type. If you want to join that debate, there's already a thread for it. I just use it as an illustration of what I see as the difference between what actually is Ne - [the Martin/Colbert style] and what I think is often lumped in with Ne [pretty much any reality-based connection].

    Is that kind of what you mean by the difference between logical connections (a function of Thinking) and instantaneous, completely random connections?

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Exit View Post
    ISFP's are supposed to be able to do this with Se, and do it better than any other Type.. so how is it an Ne thing??
    If I were you, I would question my sources. :] Se does not involve making connections and seeing patterns, at least not as I understand it.
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    Think about it in terms of television shows you watch. It helps some people.

    House - Those "I just realized something moments" coming from the randomnest things people say that he associates with current situations. For example.
    "In order for the light to shine so brightly, the darkness must be present." -Francis Bacon

    "No matter how dark the moment, love and hope are always possible." -George Chakiris

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