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    Arcesso pulli gingerios! Eldanen's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by lemons View Post
    +10 for using the correct type of logic to figure that out for us
    It's actually somewhat accurate if you consider Jesus to be FiNe and Satan to be SeTi.

    But seriously, Te is like a bunch of flasks that hold the experiences and phenomena accumulated by Si and Ni. Ti is more like a process and structure. For me, all Je functions (Te and Fe) seem like they're balloons that are filled with something amorphous, while Ji functions tend to work by recombinating. Something like that. You have to remember that the functions are together the way they are because they serve a purpose for one another. The Ji functions are more heavy-duty "ordering" functions that depend on structuring many, many different perceptions that come from Pe. Je works more to transmit the Pi, which seems to be something more raw than isolated shape-form perceptions.

    I think I'll stop now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    The closest you got to being right about anything was during plagiarism.
    Oh yes I do remember that. You had to raise that topic a few times and I had to unravel your assumptions until you, in lack of dash, liberated yourself. Kudos on your closure. +10

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemons View Post
    Oh yes I do remember that. You had to raise that topic a few times and I had to unravel your assumptions until you, in lack of dash, liberated yourself. Kudos on your closure.
    History will judge us accordingly, lemons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    History will judge us accordingly, lemons.
    You sound more sane. Time to up the medication. +20

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemons View Post
    Yes I was referring to feeling as you mentioned cooperative.
    Since Cooperative/Pragmatic follows the SJ/SP/NF/NT groupings, then for N, either F preference will be more cooperative, while T is more pragmatic. (For S's, it's J and P).

    Otherwise, Fe is "what's appropriate" or "will it please", and Fi is "what's important" or "what's right".
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    A bit of an obvious comment but it occurred to me as a brainwave none the less...

    Te = TJ
    Ti = TP

    Compare and contrast xxTJs with xxTPs and you have Te vs Ti in actuality rather than in theory.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    A bit of an obvious comment but it occurred to me as a brainwave none the less...

    Te = TJ
    Ti = TP

    Compare and contrast xxTJs with xxTPs and you have Te vs Ti in actuality rather than in theory.
    That's the common failure, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    That's the common failure, yes.
    A quick side note Jack, I'm beginning to think that it would be useful if certain predominant traits could be outlined for each type so that identification could be easier. It seems that a lot of the commonly accepted traits tend not to apply in many situations.

    I'm guessing that's probably what the MBTI lot do for a job (in part) but surely we could have a stab at it too rather than this airy fairy function analysis stuff which, as we've discussed before, more often than not leads to more confusion instead of less.

    Just a quick two cents..
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    A quick side note Jack, I'm beginning to think that it would be useful if certain predominant traits could be outlined for each type so that identification could be easier. It seems that a lot of the commonly accepted traits tend not to apply in many situations.
    That's not a bad idea, only a daunting one.

    I'm guessing that's probably what the MBTI lot do for a job (in part) but surely we could have a stab at it too rather than this airy fairy function analysis stuff which, as we've discussed before, more often than not leads to more confusion instead of less.
    Quite. But of course, once you start identifying traits based on analysis, don't go and claim it's the function listed in MBTI order just because it's listed!

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    at the bottom line everything is mjust words and information. I failed to see the brain can seperate things into seperate functions, although i started a thread similar to this one before.

    anyway if you really want a classification:

    IXTP. IXTJ , INTX have alot of Ti tendencies
    EXTJ (have alot of Te tendencies, PS some entjs are met on another forum scored high both on Te and Ti , i do not know how that happened)

    EXXP ( alot of Pe tendencies , strong either in extroverted sensation and extroverted intuition)

    Ti+Se also aims for praticality rather than abstract, as in the case of IStp, but it is much less dictatorial than Te manifesyted by ETJs
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