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    Quote Originally Posted by Nijntje View Post
    I wouldn't say that 9's never worry about anything, it's just that we tend to be highly conflict avoidant, whether that be an overdue parking fine we're ignoring or an actual argument. We're pretty good at pretending things didn't happen and burying our heads in the sand, which can make for some spectacularly bad decisions and outcomes.
    So the positive outlook in 9s is more of a facade that they show to others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stansmith View Post
    I've got a relatively good hand in life (I could be starving or missing a limb), so as a positive-outlook e-type I'd be pretty damn happy about alot of things. As a 6 I feel like I'm just wasting and under appreciating it.
    okay sure...but god???

    that's just...just...way too delusional to make any kinda sense to me that that feeling or thought is there...i mean...yeah exaggerations and all but

    i'm a 7...not just a 7 but a 729 and i'm all kinds of positive and have had lots of great beautiful things in my life...but...none of it says anything about...me...i mean...in a i'm such a glorious all knowing perfect deity and ye all shall bow at my feet...kinda way haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    If I could just maintain a positive attitude, I would be damn near invincible.

    My biggest stumbling block to that, tho, is just my dumb ass self getting in my own way.

    Granted, I think I might be neurologically wired to be predisposed toward paranoia/getting in my own way (excess norepinephrine [essentially, adrenaline]).

    But if I ever just actually allow/make myself maintain a positive attitude, no matter what I'm doing (work, sports, going out), I fucking kill it.

    Maintaining that positive attitude is tough, tho; there are so many things trying to bring/tear it down.
    okay okay...the use of god threw me...boss feels more accurate to what you mean...or fierce! with a whole swishy snap thing going on but yeah sure okay...i hear ya...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    If only we could be so delusional about our self-worth...
    Coincidently, this sentence is more or less a perfect stand-in for everything wrong with your type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superunknown View Post
    "Pang - A sudden sharp pain or painful emotion."

    I don't believe the thinking sixes do is frequently introverted on itself, it doesn't focus on the nature of the innervation, say as you'd find in a four. I think the worry manifests externally for many sixes, much like a form of paranoia or hypochondria would.

    IE sixes have trouble relating phenomena back to themselves. They find solace in external reparations.
    Just fyi, this doesn't ring true at all to me.

    Not sure if you've familiarized yourself with Molina yet, but...

    - you're 9II
    - 4s are 4EI
    - and 6s are 6SS

    That's

    - 9 Intrinsic Intrinsic
    - 4 Extrinsic Intrinsic
    - and 6 Systemic Systemic

    As a 9, your focus is about as Intrinsic (akin to introverted) as it comes.

    6s aren't focused Intrinsically or Extrinsically (akin to extroversion), we're focused on the Systemic dimension, which is essentially an in-between dimension, neither Intrinsic nor Extrinsic. It's like being on the edge of a knife, between one side and the other. Hence, 6s' tendency to be ambiverted. And the observation of our often "contradictory" natures, and the "bipolarity" of our thought processes.

    Meditation is a form of thinking. Not all forms are equal in utility.
    Exactly.

    But it's also often described as a form of not-thinking.

    This is what I was trying to point to with my comment.

    / just got back from yoga an hour or two ago
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    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Just fyi, this doesn't ring true at all to me.

    Not sure if you've familiarized yourself with Molina yet, but...

    - you're 9II
    - 4s are 4EI
    - and 6s are 6SS

    That's

    - 9 Intrinsic Intrinsic
    - 4 Extrinsic Intrinsic
    - and 6 Systemic Systemic

    As a 9, your focus is about as Intrinsic (akin to introverted) as it comes.

    6s aren't focused Intrinsically or Extrinsically (akin to extroversion), we're focused on the Systemic dimension, which is essentially an in-between dimension, neither Intrinsic nor Extrinsic. It's like being on the edge of a knife, between one side and the other. Hence, 6s' tendency to be ambiverted. And the observation of our often "contradictory" natures, and the "bipolarity" of our thought processes.


    Meditation is a form of thinking. Not all forms are equal in utility.
    this sounds interesting...have you ever discussed this here before? i'd be interested in reading about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stansmith View Post
    Lol. There's people "liking" you, and not being content with people just "liking" you. I get the sense people laugh at me instead of laughing with me, and that's a sh-t feeling. I don't wanna be a trusty sidekick or a cute golden retriever with his tongue hanging out. I'm honestly not very well-liked and never have been. This is more accurate:

    1- easy
    2- moderate
    3-easy
    4-hard
    5-moderate
    6-hard
    7-easy
    8-easy
    9-easy
    Nice.

    I think 9s are pretty bad at voicing their needs, which is aggravated by the fact that they are relatively hard to read. Not an easy life I'd say.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I don't agree at all.

    6 is fucking difficult, dude.

    Try dealing with that level of projection/paranoia, even in the avg ranges.

    Even if people like us, we're paranoid that they don't, and that in a moment everyone could turn against us.

    I agree that 4 and 5 are fucked, but I think 6 fits pretty well in that grouping.

    Granted, I'm also an INTJ, and an sx/so, which prolly doesn't help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stansmith View Post
    One person doesn't laugh at your joke or seems indifferent to you = "this person hates me, I'm annoying and embarassing myself. My friends are starting to distance themselves from me. I need new friends. Sh-t, I'm gonna start focusing on my screenwriting again, I don't need friends."

    I'm an 18 year old male, mind you.
    Interesting. I think that's an advantage 5s have over 6s - having friends is not a significant need for us, as we're able to reduce our socialization and intimacy needs to extremely low levels and remain comfortable there (avarice fixation).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    okay sure...but god???

    that's just...just...way too delusional to make any kinda sense to me that that feeling or thought is there...i mean...yeah exaggerations and all but

    i'm a 7...not just a 7 but a 729 and i'm all kinds of positive and have had lots of great beautiful things in my life...but...none of it says anything about...me...i mean...in a i'm such a glorious all knowing perfect deity and ye all shall bow at my feet...kinda way haha
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    okay okay...the use of god threw me...boss feels more accurate to what you mean...or fierce! with a whole swishy snap thing going on but yeah sure okay...i hear ya...
    I dunno, I get where he's coming from, and actually prefer his choice of words

    The thing about 6s is that double focus on the Systemic dimension.

    It makes us very concerned about a Higher Order: truth, justice, etc.

    So, when we are on, I think we feel a certain connection to/channeling of that Higher Order.

    Which would jibe well with the idea that our Holy Virtue is Courage/Faith and our Vice Cowardice/Lack of Faith.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wind-Up Rex View Post
    Coincidently, this sentence is more or less a perfect stand-in for everything wrong with your type.
    Yes, the irony is duly noted.
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    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

    "Behind these gates of seeming warmth sits, loosely chained, a fierce attack dog. Perhaps not crazy, but dangerous"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I dunno, I get where he's coming from, and actually prefer his choice of words

    The thing about 6s is that double focus on the Systemic dimension.

    It makes us very concerned about a Higher Order: truth, justice, etc.

    So, when we are on, I think we feel a certain connection to/channeling of that Higher Order.

    Which would jibe well with the idea that our Holy Virtue is Courage/Faith and our Vice Cowardice/Lack of Faith.



    Yes, the irony is duly noted.
    okay...makes sense...was looking through my 7ish cocky tented goggles i suppose. which i guess isn't the same at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    this sounds interesting...have you ever discussed this here before? i'd be interested in reading about that.
    Last Fall I read several of the chapters on vent.

    I've also brought it up a number of times in different threads about the Enneagram.

    It's been a long time coming that I was supposed to make a thread about it.

    It's the theoretical add-on proposed by Armando Molina (Naranjo's student) in his book 'Our Ways: Values & Character'.

    It's the best book on the Enneagram I've found, and the add-on is the most powerful piece of typology I have found.

    Naranjo highly approves of it as well, but, unfortunately, the book is not widely known.

    It costs $50, and you can only get it shipped from Europe, by the original publisher.
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    "I trust what you are doing though…I just see it a little differently.
    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

    "Behind these gates of seeming warmth sits, loosely chained, a fierce attack dog. Perhaps not crazy, but dangerous"

    The Aggressive 6
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