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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    There are lots of complex percussion styles outside of jazz, but a good jazz drummer will have an easier time learning new complex styles than the average drummer of other genres, because their style already requires complex playing to begin with.

    Talent isn't just about being able to play complex music and technical know-how. Talented pop and blues musicians know how to create good songs that lots of people will like. Without talent, you suck.

    "Jazz is the last refuge of the untalented. Jazz musicians enjoy themselves more than anyone listening to them does." - Tony Wilson

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    "Jazz is the last refuge of the untalented. Jazz musicians enjoy themselves more than anyone listening to them does." - Tony Wilson

    I want to shake that man's hand.

    ajb, why are you comparing "a good jazz musician" to "the average drummer of other genres"? Shouldn't you compare like with like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    I want to shake that man's hand.

    ajb, why are you comparing "a good jazz musician" to "the average drummer of other genres"? Shouldn't you compare like with like?
    Alright, I meant to say an average or typical jazz musician compared to the average/typical drummer of most other genres, especially popular genres.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    "Jazz is the last refuge of the untalented. Jazz musicians enjoy themselves more than anyone listening to them does." - Tony Wilson

    Well it has been said that Jazz is a musician's music. Pop is the lowest common denominator's music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Well it has been said that Jazz is a musician's music. Pop is the lowest common denominator's music.
    Jazz is fine, as long as it doesn't make you look down your nose at music that is just as valid. So, in your case, it's not fine.
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    Actually, the last refuge of the untalented is punk, honestly and truley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Actually, the last refuge of the untalented is punk, honestly and truley.
    That's the first refuge of people who aren't any good and don't care, but in a good way. Never Mind the Bollocks Here's the Sex Pistols and London Calling are better than any jazz album of the last 30 years, that is for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    That's the first refuge of people who aren't any good and don't care, but in a good way. Never Mind the Bollocks Here's the Sex Pistols and London Calling are better than any jazz album of the last 30 years, that is for sure.
    Well, first of all, jazz of the last thirty years has not be nearly as good as the jazz in the first forty years of the 20th century.

    Secondly, those who don't care, still really suck, regardless of how little they care about the fact that they suck. In fact, that just makes me want to pull my hair out. What's worse than punk music, is the entire concept of punk aesthetic philosophy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Well, first of all, jazz of the last thirty years has not be nearly as good as the jazz in the first forty years of the 20th century.
    We agree on this, although much of the jazz I enjoy was recorded between 1945 and 1975.


    Secondly, those who don't care, still really suck, regardless of how little they care about the fact that they suck. In fact, that just makes me want to pull my hair out. What's worse than punk music, is the entire concept of punk aesthetic philosophy.
    I kind of like the punk aesthetic. I don't like the nihilism or the willful amateurishness, but I do enjoy the "Who really gives a fuck?" attitude and the whole "Let's get back to what rock n' roll used to be" aesthetic. The Ramones were much more reverent and relevant inheritors to artists like The Ventures and Phil Spector and Little Richard than were, say, Supertramp. I recently read MOJO's Punk: The Whole Story, and it was a fantastic read. Amazing photos, lots of interesting stories, just great stuff. The vast majority of punk bands the last 20 years have been moronic, but that doesn't diminish the brilliance of the musicians who came before them.
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    Who sucks? People who don't realise that liking or disliking music is entirely subjective

    Some people like technical expertise, some artistic composition, some the style and delivery, some the rebellion, some the mainstream, some because their friends like it.. and so it goes on.

    Fortunately, there is room for us to like our own things

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