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What is the hardest thing about being a woman?

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Among girls, yes.

But sure, those hobbies you mention seem equally typical of boys.
Yeah, but both of these pretty much fall under "almost nobody does this". I feel like being a horse girl would pretty much be in similar level of privilege as model trains if not higher.
 

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Yeah, but both of these pretty much fall under "almost nobody does this". I feel like being a horse girl would pretty much be in similar level of privilege as model trains if not higher.
I don't really understand what you're saying.

A lot of girls when I was growing up gushed over horses. It doesn't mean they owned them. They would still talk about them, sometimes they were really into fantasy stories due to the use of horses in such things and how often the horses were magical. Once I came in first in a contest and I wanted to pick the framed picture of horses as my prize, but I knew another girl wanted it badly and I let her pick first so i ended up not getting the horse picture.

I remember my daughter also being into horses when she was growing up. We of course did not own horses nor a farm.

I don't recall boys my age at the time really having this same intensity of interest.

I didn't really hear much about model trains from boys, although when there was an outlet, it would come up. (My grandfather was an avid model train collector, and I had a neighbor -- an older retired man -- who would build elaborate train sets and countrysides.) When I ran across modeling, it typically was boys who were really into building plastic models of ships and boats and other mechanical-related models.

Whatever.
 
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I don't really understand what you're saying.

A lot of girls when I was growing up gushed over horses. It doesn't mean they owned them. They would still talk about them, sometimes they were really into fantasy stories due to the use of horses in such things and how often the horses were magical. Once I came in first in a contest and I wanted to pick the framed picture of horses as my prize, but I knew another girl wanted it badly and I let her pick first so i ended up not getting the horse picture.

I remember my daughter also being into horses when she was growing up. We of course did not own horses nor a farm.

I don't recall boys my age at the time really having this same intensity of interest.

I didn't really hear much about model trains from boys, although when there was an outlet, it would come up. (My grandfather was an avid model train collector, and I had a neighbor -- an older retired man -- who would build elaborate train sets and countrysides.) When I ran across modeling, it typically was boys who were really into building plastic models of ships and boats and other mechanical-related models.

Whatever.
Like Tina I too loved horses, I thought it was fairly common also


"Oh no my porcelain horse, horselain" is one of the funniest lines to me and idky.

 

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Having trouble sleeping and came across this thread.

I changed my post to something more positive and in line with the horse discussion. I've heard a couple of different theories about girls' obsession with horses relating to the masculinity that a horse represents. One theory is that it is a safe way to connect to masculinity before thinking of it in terms of sexuality. Another is that it is a way for girls to experience that physical strength and feel more agency in the world.

I didn't experience that connection to horses over other animals, but heard those theories and thought I'd share. I'm not saying it's the explanation, but just some ideas I encountered.
 
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This is also a social meme short that was driving me a bit crazy...
"TheFunnyRepublican What is a woman conversation"

I see this approach constantly of trying to force false binary propositions into logical frameworks. They present these oversimplifications with such arrogance like they are Jesus telling parables. It drives me crazy. I commented:

We can define in part what we observe, we can define more fully what we are. What is a cat? Humans have observational definitions for a cat, and can observe that cats appear to dream. What do cats dream? Is it a literal recall or imaginative play of reality like humans? A cat would know. While anyone can define in part through observations, a wise person knows the limits of those definitions.

My comment applies to more than just the gender issue, but for every human experience. I am exasperated by the binary thinking and lack of respect for personal boundaries in society. This isn't just as a woman, but as a human.
 

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I think it would be interesting to see if women in cultures/environs without horses fixate on other animals and what they would be. Same guys for guy fixations. How tied is it to the specific culture and/or is there an equitable interest in cultures lacking those particular symbols?
 

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I don't really understand what you're saying.

A lot of girls when I was growing up gushed over horses. It doesn't mean they owned them. They would still talk about them, sometimes they were really into fantasy stories due to the use of horses in such things and how often the horses were magical. Once I came in first in a contest and I wanted to pick the framed picture of horses as my prize, but I knew another girl wanted it badly and I let her pick first so i ended up not getting the horse picture.

I remember my daughter also being into horses when she was growing up. We of course did not own horses nor a farm.

I don't recall boys my age at the time really having this same intensity of interest.

I didn't really hear much about model trains from boys, although when there was an outlet, it would come up. (My grandfather was an avid model train collector, and I had a neighbor -- an older retired man -- who would build elaborate train sets and countrysides.) When I ran across modeling, it typically was boys who were really into building plastic models of ships and boats and other mechanical-related models.

Whatever.
Interesting. I don't think I have ever met a horse-girl in real life. I wonder if it depends on country. I suspect around here it would be more arts and crafts girls.
 

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Yeah, but both of these pretty much fall under "almost nobody does this". I feel like being a horse girl would pretty much be in similar level of privilege as model trains if not higher.

Horses and model railroads are too expensive hobbies -- though I remember an article which stated the death of the Western was partly due to the decline in equestrian skill among the general population who would be extras in the films as opposed to the previously cheap surplus of horses on sets which everybody knew how to ride.

One theory is that it is a safe way to connect to masculinity before thinking of it in terms of sexuality.

Nothing left to the imagination there . . . this is why ladies' bicycles were designed with a lowered, curved central bar to accomodate the long skirt.
https://wonderfulengineering.com/mens-bicycles-horizontal-cross-bars-womens-usually-dont/
 

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Horses and model railroads are too expensive hobbies -- though I remember an article which stated the death of the Western was partly due to the decline in equestrian skill among the general population who would be extras in the films as opposed to the previously cheap surplus of horses on sets which everybody knew how to ride.



Nothing left to the imagination there . . . this is why ladies' bicycles were designed with a lowered, curved central bar to accomodate the long skirt.
https://wonderfulengineering.com/mens-bicycles-horizontal-cross-bars-womens-usually-dont/
I always thought the death of the Western was because in the 60s space started to become more popular. Sci-fi like The Star Track began to eclipse Bonanza.
 

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I always thought the death of the Western was because in the 60s space started to become more popular. Sci-fi like The Star Track began to eclipse Bonanza.
I enjoy watching Shatner and Nimoy in the old westerns . . . and Diana Muldaur in her youth in Gunsmoke (Dr. Pulaski on TNG who I liked better than Dr. Crusher :sneaky:). Bonanza supposedly had three step brothers meaning three wives who died. Not to get off topic from the thread -- Hardest part about womanhood? Childbirth?
 

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Horses and model railroads are too expensive hobbies -- though I remember an article which stated the death of the Western was partly due to the decline in equestrian skill among the general population who would be extras in the films as opposed to the previously cheap surplus of horses on sets which everybody knew how to ride.
Wasn't Western destroyed by The Blazing Saddles and Unforgiven?
 
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