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The Future of American Christianity

John Catstentine

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Looks more like creative writing to me - also a valuable skill, but a bit off the mark in this discussion.

All of science is based on Critical Thinking, and is counter intuitive, while religion and its offshoots is based on Faith, and is intuitive.

We learn to think intuitively at home at our mother's knee, naturally and easily, by contrast to learn to think counter intuitively, to Think Critically, we are taken from our warm homes by State Law, and taken to schools, where we are taught the counter intuitive skill of reading and writing and how to think counter intuitively, to Think Critically.

This process of transformation from intuitive natural thinking to counter intuitive unnatural thinking takes place in three stages - Primary School, High School, and University.

Until recently very few completed their transformation by going on to University, but recently we have opened our universities to all who want to attend, and unfortunately too many of these do not want to learn to Think Critically, to think counter intuitively, and they have vulgarised the university, and cancelled those who disagree.

And interestingly, it is disproportionately women who avoid STEM subjects, click The ‘gender-equality paradox’ in STEM fields – BBC Newsnight - YouTube.
 

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The great replacement theory was created by terrorist, white supremacist and dead neo Nazi David Lane. He took this idea directly from Nazi propaganda - hence the 14 words/88 precepts so revered by the current crop of human garbage. Also see Wotansvolk movement. So I have a REAL issue with David Frum (who should fucking know better as a Jewish person) chalking this up to a rise in secularism. These are two different things, one is an actual threat to everyone, one is no threat at all. David Lane (white supremacist) - Wikipedia

As a side note - JD Vance has chosen the Tucker Carlson White Power Hour lane to drive his senate campaign in. He's already self identified as a nationalist (although I'm surprised that took as long as it did) and that the biggest threat to the universe is cancel culture. There is absolutely no difference in any of these people so I would hope one would no longer attempt to sift the "good conservatives/Republicans/right wingers". How many times do they need to keep proving it?

I just reread Frum's thread and I'm not seeing "chalking it up to secularism." He first posted a link to a NYT article about how Trump actually had a great deal of support from non-whites (more than he had in 2016), to back up the observation that "white replacement" is bullshit/not rooted in reality (or at the very least, connecting it to "the left" is delusional). Then he posted several opinion pieces to support his claim that faith in Christianity is disappearing precisely because of people like Tucker Carlson and Trump (and/or anyone else promulgating "great replacement" affiliated bullshit).

He's not saying the rise in secularism is causing anything; he's saying it's the consequence. ETA: And I don't think he's insinuating there's anything wrong with secularism. He's merely showing that if ANYTHING is actually being "replaced" right now in society, it's Christianity - and it's not by some outside hostile force, they're doing it to themselves.
 

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I just reread Frum's thread and I'm not seeing "chalking it up to secularism." He first posted a link to a NYT article about how Trump actually had a great deal of support from non-whites (more than he had in 2016), to back up the observation that "white replacement" is bullshit/not rooted in reality (or at the very least, connecting it to "the left" is delusional). Then he posted several opinion pieces to support his claim that faith in Christianity is disappearing precisely because of people like Tucker Carlson and Trump (and/or anyone else promulgating "great replacement" affiliated bullshit).

He's not saying the rise in secularism is causing anything; he's saying it's the consequence.

I can see that. But I guess when there are troops kicking the shit out of Americans protesting that exact violent overreach, while standing in front of a church with a bible for a photo op (after hiding in a bunker of course) - this is the outcome. White replacement, like most things that come from the far right, are never grounded in reality. And I'm very curious to see how much the R's have lost post Jan. 6 overall.
 

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I just reread Frum's thread and I'm not seeing "chalking it up to secularism." He first posted a link to a NYT article about how Trump actually had a great deal of support from non-whites (more than he had in 2016), to back up the observation that "white replacement" is bullshit/not rooted in reality (or at the very least, connecting it to "the left" is delusional). Then he posted several opinion pieces to support his claim that faith in Christianity is disappearing precisely because of people like Tucker Carlson and Trump (and/or anyone else promulgating "great replacement" affiliated bullshit).

He's not saying the rise in secularism is causing anything; he's saying it's the consequence. ETA: And I don't think he's insinuating there's anything wrong with secularism. He's merely showing that if ANYTHING is actually being "replaced" right now in society, it's Christianity - and it's not by some outside hostile force, they're doing it to themselves.

I want to be very cautious here as I dont want to strike up some dumb sectarian conversation but I've read some good authors who suggest that this is just the worst elements of the reformation playing out over the super long term/historical time, in that train of thinking protestantism was just the harbringer of a multitude of confusing developments all coming to fruition now.

To be really clear I do not think there is any use at all in rehashing protestant vs. RCC arguments. Most of them are only preserved by evangelicals, who, in my experience, it matters to a lot more than anything else.

Its one of the greatest examples of interpreting ideas as perennial which are really, really contextual, that is to say presuming a lot has remained unchanged and that life is a lot less dynamic than it really is (liberals or the political left wing does this too, even consider kids reading Marx for the first time and considering it bang up to date when he never lived to see an ATM or personal credit cards? Never mind that the more popular of his books were written a specific contemporary readership, or sometimes even by committee using literary quirks or tricks).

History does seem to repeat itself first as tragedy and then as farce, the lesson is repeated until it is learned etc. etc.
 

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I can see that. But I guess when there are troops kicking the shit out of Americans protesting that exact violent overreach, while standing in front of a church with a bible for a photo op (after hiding in a bunker of course) - this is the outcome. White replacement, like most things that come from the far right, are never grounded in reality. And I'm very curious to see how much the R's have lost post Jan. 6 overall.

Its in keeping with the under siege cliche of most pro-state violence though.

The hoard, the rabble, the mob, the bogeyman etc. etc.
 
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