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The Endgame of Originalism: Stakes of the Texas Abortion Ban.

Doctor Cringelord

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meh. I had to suffer voting blue in a red state for years. Change the whole fucking thing from the ground up or this sort of thing will just keep happening while people who claim to like liberty laugh their asses off.
 

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It's totally shitty. Pardon my earlier comment which was pretty dismissive.

That said, dems should be optimistic. Texas has been slowly going blue for a while. If you guys added Texas to the blue column and retained the west coast and northeast, your election battles would become a lot easier, at least in the nationwide general. You would never need Florida or Ohio again, so long as you can still win in the midwest. I realize that isn't addressing the issue of gerrymandering directly, but it may be a path to a fix down the line. Sorry. The only way gerrymandering and fraud can be combatted effectively is with a constitutional amendment guaranteeing all citizens the right to vote upon the age of 18 or new citizenship status, and ending all political parties influence in the districting process. It should ideally be determined by a non-partisan committee in each state, and of course any redistricting should only be done following a logical arrangement. Any new change to districts should be argued before said committees, and I think strong cases need to be made for proposed new district borders before any are arbitrarily or unfairly drawn.
 

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It's totally shitty. Pardon my earlier comment which was pretty dismissive.

That said, dems should be optimistic. Texas has been slowly going blue for a while. If you guys added Texas to the blue column and retained the west coast and northeast, your election battles would become a lot easier, at least in the nationwide general. You would never need Florida or Ohio again, so long as you can still win in the midwest. I realize that isn't addressing the issue of gerrymandering directly, but it may be a path to a fix down the line. Sorry. The only way gerrymandering and fraud can be combatted effectively is with a constitutional amendment guaranteeing all citizens the right to vote upon the age of 18 or new citizenship status, and ending all political parties influence in the districting process. It should ideally be determined by a non-partisan committee in each state, and of course any redistricting should only be done following a logical arrangement. Any new change to districts should be argued before said committees, and I think strong cases need to be made for proposed new district borders before any are arbitrarily or unfairly drawn.
Correct. In other countries, like Canada, they got rid of it via independent redistricting commissions (which is what Michigan passed in 2018). But the law will be chipped away by Republicans to suppress votes and the Dems will allow it. Amendments are the only way in the US.
 

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Correct. In other countries, like Canada, they got rid of it via independent redistricting commissions (which is what Michigan passed in 2018). But the law will be chipped away by Republicans to suppress votes and the Dems will allow it. Amendments are the only way in the US.
How do you prevent parties from interfering with the independent commissions? Wouldn't they find some way to make sure they get some of "their people" on those commissions?
 

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How do you prevent parties from interfering with the independent commissions? Wouldn't they find some way to make sure they get some of "their people" on those commissions?
I can only tell you that in Michigan, the commission has Republicans, Democrats and Independents. It's getting challenged in court (this is why I mentioned an amendment would be the only thing that would work ultimately) but so far those challenges are being rejected. I feel it's the most democratic process I have ever experienced in person - the public is part of the map drawing entirely. I personally feel no map will ever satisfy every person but, it's a whole lot better and more fair than what we had before. I just hope more people in other states push for independent redistricting because the GOP will do everything possible, legal or not, to make sure they can invoke their tyrannical rule on as many people as possible. That might sound hyperbolic but after watching almost 2 years of this process, and ignoring most of what the right says and paying more attention to what they do - it's an accurate description.
 

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What this Supreme Court seems to be hell-bent on doing is blowing up the Constitution.

They will render the Constitution unworkable -- by making good government or even any government unconstitutional -- and it will have to be replaced with something that does allow for good government. Just like it happened when the 1787 Constitution was established:

 
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