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Salary and Type

chegra

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I was looking at some statistics here about mbti types and salary:
Type Statistics


Household Income
ENTJ - $84,434
ESTJ - $76,238
ESFJ - $74,882
INTJ - $72,043
ENFJ - $71,060
ISTJ - $71,020
ESTP - $69,323
ISTP - $67,349
ENFP - $66,210
INTP - $64,872
INFJ - $64,372
ISFP - $64,166
ISFJ - $63,870
ESFP - $63,281
ENTP - $62,960
INFP - $61,565


Apparently T's outperform F's given all the other letters are same and J's outperform p's.

Only in ENTP and ESFP case the I's perform better than the E's.

Amazing how ENTJ are so above everybody else. lol(Yes, I know self aggrandizing)


But yea what is surprising is the ENTP. How you explain that?
 

Venom

Babylon Candle
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INTJ
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1w9
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sp/sx
Education Level (1 did not graduate, to 6 PhD or equivalent)
ENTJ - 4.12
INTJ - 3.93
ESTJ - 3.83
ISTJ - 3.78
ESTP - 3.73
INFJ - 3.72
ENFP - 3.69
INTP - 3.69
INFP - 3.67
ESFP - 3.63
ENFJ - 3.60
ESFJ - 3.62
ISTP - 3.59
ISFJ - 3.58
ENTP - 3.54
ISFP - 3.52

ENTJ owns at life :devil:

Household Income
ENTJ - $84,434
ESTJ - $76,238
ESFJ - $74,882
INTJ - $72,043
ENFJ - $71,060
ISTJ - $71,020
ESTP - $69,323
ISTP - $67,349
ENFP - $66,210
INTP - $64,872
INFJ - $64,372
ISFP - $64,166
ISFJ - $63,870
ESFP - $63,281
ENTP - $62,960
INFP - $61,565

once again, empiracle proof that the ENTJ owns at life. :devil:


after looking at these two charts ^

if you are unsure of being ENTJ or ENTJ: how succesful are you?
if you are unsure of being ENFP or ENTP: how succesful are you?

interestingly enough, its the Te ones that win...not necissarily the F or T.

Married
INTJ - 44%
ISTP - 43%
ENFJ - 40%
:shock: the INTJ and ISTP are more frequently married than the ENFJ?


Males Females
Type 9 - 746 Type 9 - 2294
Type 4 - 678 Type 4 - 1806
Type 5 - 615 Type 2 - 1773
Type 7 - 468 Type 7 - 1461
Type 1 - 424 Type 5 - 1175
Type 2 - 413 Type 6 - 1102
Type 8 - 356 Type 1 - 1024
Type 6 - 308 Type 8 - 853
Type 3 - 298 Type 3 - 682

PROOF, that people are on average, lazy.
 

Geoff

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I suppose the low INFP figure is lowest because they so often do charity or underpaid work for a "good cause"
 

Frank

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I was looking at some statistics here about mbti types and salary:
Type Statistics


Household Income
ENTJ - $84,434
ESTJ - $76,238
ESFJ - $74,882
INTJ - $72,043
ENFJ - $71,060
ISTJ - $71,020
ESTP - $69,323
ISTP - $67,349
ENFP - $66,210
INTP - $64,872
INFJ - $64,372
ISFP - $64,166
ISFJ - $63,870
ESFP - $63,281
ENTP - $62,960
INFP - $61,565


Apparently T's outperform F's given all the other letters are same and J's outperform p's.

Only in ENTP and ESFP case the I's perform better than the E's.

Amazing how ENTJ are so above everybody else. lol(Yes, I know self aggrandizing)


But yea what is surprising is the ENTP. How you explain that?

As far as explaining the ENTP thing my hunch would be that this is based on reported income and that entps probably excel at hiding it. My understanding is that many are self employed also and as those of us who are self employed know there are many ways to hide/ write off a dollar.
 

Jeffster

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67 percent of all statistics are made up. 46 percent of people know that!
 

something boring

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I'm wondering how they arrived these numbers...
That's a whole lot of money... Who are these people? It's terribly expensive where I live, yet, I know no one who makes that much (no, not even couples).
 

chegra

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Where do you live, I thought the figures were to low.

I know people who make as twice as much, not even to mention family income.

I am thinking we have some ENTJ out there that aren't making any money
 

chegra

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I wouldn't depend on those stats.... they don't even begin to reflect the overall averages;

Household income in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Well no it wouldn't because its like only 30% of the people have internet access.

So basically, it would be people with higher degree of education and disposable income.

As indicated by the level of education being a 3 or above for most groups.

The result are only to be used to spot trends not to pin point any specific figures.

Like ENTP might be hiding dough.
 

Fluffywolf

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The salary you earn is more about WHO you are than WHAT you are.

Types got nothing little influence on it, in my opinion. :p
 

ajblaise

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There's a $20,000+ earnings gap between ENTJs and INFPs in that study. And when you look at ENTJ vs. INFP traits, it makes sense.

MBTI seems like it's definitely relateable to this.
 

professor goodstain

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Or. The ENTJ corporate execs swing all those other ENTJ ditch diggers to the highest bracket per capita.
 

chegra

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Or. The ENTJ corporate execs swing all those other ENTJ ditch diggers to the highest bracket per capita.

Maybe, an ENTJ somewhere is not pulling their weight. But ENTJ is all about pride, so If they are digging ditches they are calculating how to get back on top.
 

something boring

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"This site is not as popular as Keirsey's and also you have to pay for the test"

This might be why I am spotting a little bias... People who are in other (read:lower) socioeconomic circumstances are waaaaaaaaay less likely to pay for this kind of thing...
 

Edgar

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:shock: the INTJ and ISTP are more frequently married than the ENFJ?

So much for that page and their statistics.

Now go back to digging that ditch, Babylon Candle, and stop using other people's success as a badge of your own personal pride.
 

nightning

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For which type is money the strongest motivator? Sometimes it's not about performance... but priorities.

What's the population distribution of Ts and Fs between gender? 2/3 Ts are male, 2/3 Fs are female? Which gender traditionally earns a higher income?

There's simply too many ways to explain the results... (assuming the stats is valid in the first place.)
 

ygolo

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I'm wondering how they arrived these numbers...
That's a whole lot of money... Who are these people? It's terribly expensive where I live, yet, I know no one who makes that much (no, not even couples).

I can imagine that many people wouldn't really care to make any more money if they are already making $60K.

It's also wonder why the demographics aren't as skewed toward IN on personality page as I expected.

The order seems plausible. I can see how EJs and TJs generally do better in big corporations since those are the qualities believed by many to make good managers.

For which type is money the strongest motivator? Sometimes it's not about performance... but priorities.

What's the population distribution of Ts and Fs between gender? 2/3 Ts are male, 2/3 Fs are female? Which gender traditionally earns a higher income?

There's simply too many ways to explain the results... (assuming the stats is valid in the first place.)

Exactly. There are so many things that come into play.

For instance, there is also a difference in what salaries people report when they took that test. For instance, when I took it, I reported my base salary minus the stuff I saved in my 401K. I don't know why I decided to do that; maybe I just don't like people knowing how much money I make.

Also, what if Bill Gates took the test (purported to be an ENTJ)? That would skew the average quite a bit. In fact, I think this effect will be significant on the numbers and can be analyzed to see how much the effect is (I will do so shortly).

Remember that salaries seem to follow a scale-free distribution not a Gaussian (the rich have much higher salaries than the rest) The phenomenon of skewed averages would be even greater when you notice the percentages of the types that took the personality page tests.

They really should be using medians for this sort of stuff.


Just other things to note:
If I assume that the percentages of people listed on personality page represent the people who answered the salary question (a big probably false assumption, but it will illustrate the effect none-the-less, and I can't think of how to estimate the missing info.)

The average salary (weighted by percentages) is: $67096.77
I cannot really estimate the Standard Deviation, since they didn't list the s.d. by type. (I could find it for the NUMBERS, but it would be a fairly meaningless result considering my already stretched assumptions)

Note that the average is only $5531.77 from the bottom, but $17337.23 from the top. That should tell you that the percentages of people of particular types taking the test CAN skew the results dramatically.

One final bit of evidence for this average skewing phenomenon comes from the correlation of salaries of type to the percentages of type, which is -0.32

I realize this may not make much sense to people so I've included a graph:
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Notice the prominent downward slope.
 

PeaceBaby

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As far as explaining the ENTP thing my hunch would be that this is based on reported income and that entps probably excel at hiding it. My understanding is that many are self employed also and as those of us who are self employed know there are many ways to hide/ write off a dollar.

LOL, perfect!

What's the population distribution of Ts and Fs between gender? 2/3 Ts are male, 2/3 Fs are female? Which gender traditionally earns a higher income?

There's simply too many ways to explain the results... (assuming the stats is valid in the first place.)

Well said.

I can see how EJs and TJs generally do better in big corporations since those are the qualities believed by many to make good managers.

Yes, I could agree with that.

Also, I would add that I would not reveal my income in some online test - whenever surveys ask for that info I don't answer them. That's too personal.
 

chegra

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The order seems plausible. I can see how EJs and TJs generally do better in big corporations since those are the qualities believed by many to make good managers.

I think the results for everybody corresponds with expectation. (There are a host of reasons why the statistic can be wrong, but they do fit with expectation)

The only result that was surprising is ENTP.
 
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