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Yeah. I was okay with Ahsoka because it was so well-done (that one episode), but the best stuff was when it just dealt with characters in their own dramas. I really enjoyed the episode where Bill Burr ends up shooting his old commander unexpectedly -- all character driven and all following from prior history, and it's like they didn't care about where things were going, they just did it and let it drive the plot. The best shows seem to be that way, where characters do inconvenient things based on what we've seen or understood and the show doesn't try to reel it back to be safe or controllable.

Everything about SW feels way too "managed" right now.

I do love some Aksoka, I'll say that much. Probably one of my top 5 characters in the entire universe.
 

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Hey, I'll respond to you guys later, but I'm glad you didn't take my rant posts too seriously. Sorry, I'm just really mad about Rise of Skywalker retconning or apologizing for everything I liked about the sequel trilogy.
 

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I feel you. That movie was a clusterfuck

Rian Johnson and JJ seem like two kids playing. Rian pretends to do one thing, but then JJ is like "nuh uhh cuz I have a magic wizard shield!" "nah Rey is nobody!" "well palpatine was actually secretly alive the whole time and rey is his granddaughter!" They are like two kids playing with their star wars toys and arguing over the right way to play with them. I feel that's a good analogy for the Disney trilogy. Meanwhile Kathleen Kennedy is like the mom in the other room, too busy on the phone to be bothered with asking them to play nice.
 

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... Meanwhile Kathleen Kennedy is like the mom in the other room, too busy on the phone to be bothered with asking them to play nice.

She was probably also drinking blush wine out of the box, complaining about how much she hated being a mom and that she wanted to run off with some guy from Dreamworks.
 

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Auralnauts finally dropped an episode 7 teaser


Took them long enough. Can't wait till they do Rise of Reddit.

I'm reading Light of the Jedi and I really like it. I'm not sure what exactly is supposed to be SJW about it, but meh, these things don't have to make sense. I've enjoyed Star Wars the most in recent years when they've gone into new territory, and this fits in with that.
 

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I always wanted more diversity of characters front and center. No good reason there wouldn't be gay and non-binary people in a universe that large and expansive.

I liked Finn and Rey in TFA, but they never got the development they deserved in the follow-ups.

On the other hand, the fake wokeness of SW and most things Disney is so cringy. It doesn't feel genuine to me, it feels designed by committee.

I get the "Luke and Anakin are Mary Sues too" argument, but I am not sure it's true, at least in the case of Luke. He struggles, gets kicked on his ass, then learns from his defeats. His arc is an almost perfect realization of the Hero's Journey. Anakin is certainly one in TPM--most of the Jedi are Mary Sues thropughout the prequels, until they suddenly aren't about halfway through ROTS.

Rey had so much promise, and she's just so boring and one-dimensional. Things just happen to her. She just feels like a passive character moving from one scene to another rather than the crucial central character whose decisions can alter the outcome of the entire story. She could've had the perfect Hero's Journey trajectory but they just squandered so much opportunity.
 

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I always wanted more diversity of characters front and center. No good reason there wouldn't be gay and non-binary people in a universe that large and expansive. I liked Finn and Rey in TFA, but they never got the development they deserved in the follow-ups.

I liked them both too. Finn especially got short-changed. Rey had more overt focus... but we really didn't learn a ton about her and a lot of time was spent on her being a Jedi. I know there's a range of reaction to TFA -- but the thing is, it basically set up the potential for character development. We saw them all, made a connection with them, and the following two movies should have been building off that to develop who they were. Instead we just got random crap that wasn't really tied to character per se. I am not interested in knowing who Rey's parents were (per se), for example, which is external -- I am interested in knowing who SHE is. And Finn got mostly a fruitless "fetch" quest and then resolved his plot arc with Phasma unconvincingly, and then had nothing to do in the final film.

I get the "Luke and Anakin are Mary Sues too" argument, but I am not sure it's true, at least in the case of Luke. He struggles, gets kicked on his ass, then learns from his defeats. His arc is an almost perfect realization of the Hero's Journey. Anakin is certainly one in TPM--most of the Jedi are Mary Sues thropughout the prequels, until they suddenly aren't about halfway through ROTS.

Rey had so much promise, and she's just so boring and one-dimensional. Things just happen to her. She just feels like a passive character moving from one scene to another rather than the crucial central character whose decisions can alter the outcome of the entire story. She could've had the perfect Hero's Journey trajectory but they just squandered so much opportunity.

I agree they focused more on Luke's development, as thin as it was. I like that he went after Vader in TESB, because that whole sequence was basically, "Luke has gotten really good and is trying to fight for his ideals; but Luke is also getting his ass kicked, and some of what he was told was a lie." So he has to try to deal with that in RotJ and work through his weaknesses.

I didn't mind that Rey had an affinity for the force, but she certainly didn't have or shouldn't have had any fine-tuning of it. But basically Johnson did little with her development in TLJ, except in context of Kylo Ren. Neither of them any longer had a script for their lives. Neither really had a family to define who they were. Both of them lost any authorities in their lives. They were really on their own. But then there was nothing about that in the final film, just hints -- like the big scene when she goes into the crashed Death star and supposedly is going to confront herself... but what came of that? nothing, really. Everything in that film was unearned.

Yeah, Rey was kind of a gopher. "Rey, go find Luke. Rey, convince Luke to help. Rey, go here. Rey, go there." Even doubling down on her relationship with Finn would have been good, but the only time she spent with him was fluff and/or fetch quests, really.

I was even cool with she and Kylo basically connecting as both being orphans / rejections, it's a pretty Gen X thing where you find yourself on your own and having to forge your own way. Except then TROS abandoned it all and just put them back in the predictable thoughtless tracks, instead of letting them grapple with making their own ways.

The Matrix Reloaded did have a few good things, and one was the Merovingian's speech, about how knowledge leads to self-power. When you don't know anything, you are at the mercy of those who do -- you basically go here, go there, you are on someone else's agenda. To have autonomy, you need to know why you are doing what you are doing and/or be making decisions out of your own agency, not just doing what others direct you to do.
 

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Now you have me rewriting that piece I had where Christopher Walken as Obi-Wan smuggled out Anakin's lightsaber up his ass for Luke, and I can see Chewbacca's descendent passing that damn medal down to his great-grandkid or something, after smuggling it out of Dagobah swampland stuffed up his own hairy mud-caked bum.

"And now little wookie, I give the medal to you."
*reconsiders, wipes it off a bit, then offers it again*

She's. fast. enough. for you, old man

Imagine the Walken whisper on the “old man” part
 

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Ideal order to watch Star Wars

1
Rogue One
4
5
2
3
6
Solo
7
8
9

Why put Solo out of chronological order? It plays Like an extended flashback episode before episode 7 which featured him as a major character. So it seems fitting to watch a young Solo movie right before the one featuring his final adventure and death

Technically, I don’t think watching 1 first spoils much of importance. Rogue one builds up the danger and mystery of Vader and the Emperor right before seeing 4 and 5. Then 2 and 3 add an extended flashback and lays out some backstory before heading into 6
 

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Ideal order to watch Star Wars

1
Rogue One
4
5
2
3
6
Solo
7
8
9

Why put Solo out of chronological order? It plays Like an extended flashback episode before episode 7 which featured him as a major character. So it seems fitting to watch a young Solo movie right before the one featuring his final adventure and death

Technically, I don’t think watching 1 first spoils much of importance. Rogue one builds up the danger and mystery of Vader and the Emperor right before seeing 4 and 5. Then 2 and 3 add an extended flashback and lays out some backstory before heading into 6

You should have just omitted 9 entirely. It's not canon in my mind.
 

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Last night I dreamed that my life-sized cardboard cutout of Princess Leia had its head fall off. It's fine and intact. Not sure what that means.

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Who is Leia remembering in Return of the Jedi when she talks about her mother? Is she remembering her adoptive mother from Alderaan? Is she able to remember Padme somehow? Maybe it's some sort of enhanced memory because she's a force user, but if so, wouldn't Luke be able to remember Padme as well?

Me thinks it's just all lazy writing and George never had the entire story as thought through as he'd like us to believe.
 

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Who is Leia remembering in Return of the Jedi when she talks about her mother? Is she remembering her adoptive mother from Alderaan? Is she able to remember Padme somehow? Maybe it's some sort of enhanced memory because she's a force user, but if so, wouldn't Luke be able to remember Padme as well?

Me thinks it's just all lazy writing and George never had the entire story as thought through as he'd like us to believe.

No, he definitely never had it all thought through.
 

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Me thinks it's just all lazy writing and George never had the entire story as thought through as he'd like us to believe.

:shocking: No way! Why would we ever think that

You should have just omitted 9 entirely. It's not canon in my mind.

Yeah, I think the last thing in my head cannon is Rey and Kylo choosing sides at the end of eight. The last is more of a bad drug trip, more than what even Mandy was.

Or rather "canon," after my head cannon blasts 9.
 

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:shocking: No way! Why would we ever think that



Yeah, I think the last thing in my head cannon is Rey and Kylo choosing sides at the end of eight. The last is more of a bad drug trip, more than what even Mandy was.

Or rather "canon," after my head cannon blasts 9.

I think the bit with broom boy is a nice enough ending.. not too hard to imagine that Rey defeated Kylo and re-established a reformed Jedi order that would have avoided the mistakes of the prequel Jedi (which I think we were intended to see as flawed but because of the issues with those movies that didn't come across as well as it could have). I see that movie as saying in the end that it's not necessarily that the idea of the Jedi is bad, it's rather that they'd become complacent and ossified by the time of the PT and that's what was passed on to Luke. It's less that the Jedi shouldn't exist and more that they shouldn't exist in the way they did in the PT. They'd become too detached and isolated in the way they approached other beings and that's why the Republic fell. This is supported by a novel I'm reading that is set 200 years before the Phantom Menace; the Jedi order is less dogmatic and less detached from the affairs of others.
 
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