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There are young people that think the moon landing was fake. Not so much because of the conspiracies but because there is no way the US could ever do anything that big and groundbreaking in their minds. They've never seen different so why would they believe otherwise?

You mean that just because something doesn't seem possible now doesn't mean it is never possible? I suppose that is a fair point. The biggest cause of discouragement for me isn't the politicians we have now, or the way our government is structured or anything; theoretically all that could be changed. The thing is for any of that to change, people have to want it to chane and basically so many people are so invested in propaganda by this point that they don't want it to change. They think we're already the greatest, or we were the greatest and just put a bad man in charge of everything, and now that he's out we can go back to being the greatest. If you're the greatest and nobody could possibly be greater than you, what is the incentive to change? I mean look at how many people gobbled up the talk about "norms" as part of the act of "resistance". People are too gullible and fall for manipulation too easily. Given the money and resources and the disposal of people in power, the various public relations armies they employ can manufacture consent to so many things.

Look at this Havana syndrome bullshit. It's like Iraqi WMDs all over again. There's a Canadian report indicating it probably comes from pesticides Cuba is using to fight the Zika virus, but that will get buried just like the reports that Iraq wasn't actually trying to obtain yellowcake from Nigeria got buried.


To employ an overused metaphor (especially by dipshits), too many people love that blue pill. It's not a one way thing.. people aren't forcing them to believe the bullshit, it's the choice people want to make. That is the chief source of my morale difficulties. The red pill just requires a lot of courage most people don't have (the idiots who like to primp about how "alpha" they are [or obsessively aspire to be "alpha"] least of all, ironically enough ).
 
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It's astonishing how The Washington Post can employ such an oblivious, shrill, hypocritical windbag:

I think my most recent favorite is this..


The author is a practicing psychologist that works for...…The American Enterprise Institute.

The American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research, known simply as the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), is a right-leaning Washington, D.C.–based think tank that researches government, politics, economics, and social welfare.[2][3] AEI is an independent nonprofit organization supported primarily by contributions from foundations, corporations, and individuals. Founded in 1938, AEI is commonly associated with conservatism and neoconservatism but does not support political candidates.[4]
There is no hidden widespread left wing authoritarianism whatever the fuck this woman with an obvious right wing agenda is saying. There are authoritarians, period. This is not the issue the author has though. Her issue is that perceived left policies like political correctness won't allow anyone to talk about left wing authoritarianism. Of course there are some people on the left that embrace that Daddy spank me and tell me what to do authoritarianism just like conservatives. They're called moderate/centrist liberals.

The only remaining argument the right has now is - yeah we are horrible garbage people with subhuman policies but SO IS THE LEFT SO LOOK OVER THERE AND NOT AT US! so we don't lose and/or kill off with Covid, every single voter we have. We'll just suppress the rest of the votes and stay in power for eternity.
 

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It's not about censorship, or even about what Kagan is saying in his op-ed. He may even turn out to be right, but color me skeptical. It's about his performace, his track record as a pundit and analyst. To put it bluntly, he has not earned the right to be that self-confident in his opinions.

The problem is that people like Kagan, wonks, analysts or whatever you want to call them, who have, over the years, consistently been wrong (sometimes spectacularly wrong) in their assessments of political or diplomatic or economic (like Lawrence Summers), whose recommended policies also consistently fail (one of Kagan's favorites having failed just a couple few weeks ago), should, for one, have some intellectual humility and not write so forcefully and with so much authority (again, like Larry Summers. And the people who read them should know Summers' and Kagan's and others' track records and take take what they say with a grain of salt (a lot of grains of salt).
 

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Attacks on Sinema turn increasingly personal

Not even mad about this. This is what happens when you basically catfish your electorate by running as a progressive, then turn around and give them the middle finger on actual votes on the issues you ran in favor of.

The sad part is that she is such a narcissist that she probably loves being the center of all the national news, despite it mostly being about what an awful, corrupt piece of garbage.
 

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Fantastic news. Let's get back all the things we use to have (like post office banking 1910-1967) that the political winds took from the American people.


Now do some public banks.
 

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Fantastic news. Let's get back all the things we use to have (like post office banking 1910-1967) that the political winds took from the American people.


Now do some public banks.
Postal banking? I would be happy if they could just deliver the mail on time. Even post-Trump, delays continue:


Overseas mail is especially slow.
 
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Postal banking? I would be happy if they could just deliver the mail on time. Even post-Trump, delays continue:


Overseas mail is especially slow.
understand the mailpeople's perspective.

 

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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

The link between extremist culture and the military goes way back, as do efforts to track and deal with it. The names of the groups have changed over the years—they used to sound German, now they sound moralistic—but the problem hasn’t. For instance, in 2009, Operation Vigilant Eagle, an FBI program focused on the recruitment of veterans by white-supremacist groups, came to light, and that same year a Department of Homeland Security assessment warned that “right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans”—returning, that is, from America’s distant, never-ending wars. Conservative politicians, media personalities, and veterans’ groups found that DHS report insulting to veterans and got it withdrawn.
 

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Overseas mail is especially slow.
I can get a package from China to Germany in under a week but it takes about a month to get here from the US. I sometimes wonder if they put the parcels on little rafts and let them float across the Atlantic:thinking:
 

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I don't know how many of you saw it but 538 has pretty good page on how current redistricting is going.


538 redistricting
I'm pretty involved with the redistricting (I've commented in person in front of the committee several times and drawn my own map) in Michigan. I encourage others to get involved in their states as well.
 

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I'm pretty involved with the redistricting (I've commented in person in front of the committee several times and drawn my own map) in Michigan. I encourage others to get involved in their states as well.
I didn't know it was possible for rank-and-file citizens to get involved with such a thing.
 

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I didn't know it was possible for rank-and-file citizens to get involved with such a thing.
For sure. The committee itself is also made up of rank and file citizens that submitted applications after the redistricting proposition passed overwhelmingly in 2018 . Democratic processes are slow and this is a huge task but I'm pleased with how this is going.

Here's the MI site if you want to check out the way maps are drawn, dunno if IL is putting a prop on the ballot for redistricting but I'm certain it needs to.

 

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A modest proposal for left-wing Democrats: 2022 is an opportunity for you to take over the Democratic Party. The way they can do that is by forcing a Democratic loss in marginal seats (and even in non-marginal seats if possible).
 

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A modest proposal for left-wing Democrats: 2022 is an opportunity for you to take over the Democratic Party. The way they can do that is by forcing a Democratic loss in marginal seats (and even in non-marginal seats if possible).
Meh, I'd rather eat Irish babies.
 
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