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"No Time to Die," Craig's Bond, & What Comes Next

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I couldn't find an official thread of its own for this film, and it seems like as the closer, it's a good time to also discuss this film in terms of how it resolves all five of Craig's Bond, what it means, and what might happen next with the franchise. Will post an overview review of the film shortly.
 

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My personal feeling about the film -- I'd score it 7/10. There are things I really really liked (e.g., the scoring cues hearkening back to Connery and Lazenby Bond films, that actually reflect on the plot of THIS film!), and things I really didn't much care for (e.g., clearing the table of supporting cast, it felt a little forced; as well as how underwritten the villain of this film was).

I will put all of my comments in spoilers, and it's just going to be random observations.

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I think the thing is that the next Bond will have to be a reinvention and not like Craig's Bond. At least the concluding episode here easily allows for that to occur. I've seen a decent writeup that Timothy Dalton's Bond was similar to the Craig version, to move away from the campier Roger Moore version, but audiences were not as receptive at the time -- so Dalton only had two outings, walked away, and then Brosnan kind of did something inbetween that and the Moore version which eased the transition. By the time Craig came on, the mentality had changed some to allow him more success to be a blunter, deadlier, more dangerous Bond who still possessed an underlying streak of vulnerability.

But that story arc is now done, so how will the next Bond differentiate the character, to seem like a breathe of fresh air still in alignment with the viewing culture? I wonder if other series with this issue (Doctor Who, for example) address it.
 

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Not much on this yet. But wondering what direction they will go in.

Most of the lists seem to be the same people. I wonder if they are actually considering people on these lists or whether they've got eyes on a relative unknown. Interestingly Dev Patel and Henry Golding are now popping up .... Rege-Jean Page too.



The esquire article allows for polling of each candidate, and I don't think there are many surprises there -- people seem really set on white guys with a particular look.
 

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I think an unknown is preferable but not a must. Age should be over 30 but under 35. Preferably 33ish. While I do love Hardy and Elba, both might be a tad up there to portray believably youthful but experienced spies . That said, Elba is a fucking beast IRL and can still handle the physicality of most action roles, so I could see him working if they write the character more as a hardened, jaded veteran. Hardy has a youthful face that could carry him for a while. It just seems below either actor's caliber though, but then people probably said the same about Dalton and Craig when they were first announced, and both brought more dimension and realism to the part than any other actor has yet. Haven't seen a lot of other guys that wow me mentioned as candidates. Richard Madden certainly has that "classic" Bond look and he can act, but I feel he looks a little too generic and prissy for the role. Physicality and look is a big deal. Bond should move like a tiger and convey danger in even the most subtle gestures.

Honestly, I'm more interested to see who is cast as the next villain and MI6 personnel (assuming they don't continue with the current supporting MI6 cast). I'd like to see another reboot. A mistake I think the pre-Craig series made was not wiping the slate clean and rebooting the universe with every new actor to play 007.
 
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This worked very well for me, much better than Spectre. I can't say how much I've come to loathe the twist of making the villain secretly related to the hero. Yes, I know it was shocking when The Empire Strikes Back did it. Guess what?, That was 40 years ago, screenwriters. The novelty of it has really worn off by this point. It also seemed really convoluted and kind of boring how he was behind everything else in the previous movies. The reminder of that here is probably the worst part of this movie.

So I'd put this above Quantum of Solace and Spectre, and not as good as Skyfall. It might be tied with Casino Royale or even above it. I need to watch that one again. (I appreciated that this one embraced stuff like gadgets, post-kill puns, and awesome secret lairs; Casino Royale might lose a few points for trying to be Bourne a bit too too much. I liked the Bourne movies, it's just that the more "out there" things about Bond are some of the most enjoyable things for me).



I think an unknown is preferable but not a must. Age should be over 30 but under 35. Preferably 33ish.

I only just turned 36. They could pick me... the first American twink Bond who can't act, lol.

In all seriousness, on a podcast they pointed out that the only people who had already been famous before Bond were famous for TV (Brosnan and Moore); there has never been a Bond that was already a movie star, and I'd say Hardy and Elba kind of count at this point. Can't see Kit Harrington working as Bond, either, unless we want to hear "she is my queen" over and over.
 
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Can confirm, I like No Time To Die better than Casino Royale.
 
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