- Mar 26, 2017
- MBTI Type
I am with [MENTION=29287]Obfuscate[/MENTION] but I think that I can explain his point in a more simple way.
Basically, you can categorize belief in God in 3 general categories:
1) You firmly believe in God ("I do not believe, I know").
2) You firmly disbelieve in God ("I know there is no God, with the same conviction as Jung knows there is one").
3) You neither disbelieve or believe, you simply do not know and do not have conviction.
Number 1 is Theist, including 'stock' Theism and all religions.
Number 2 is Atheism.
Number 3 is Agnosticism.
Number 1 is some sort of dogma, there is certainty: God exists.
Number 3 is also some sort of dogma, there is certainty as well: God does not exist.
Number 2 is not under some sort of dogma, instead is under doubt ('I do not know if God exists').
Number 3 can also be seem as a belief because it is dogmatic, certain and firm, as number 1.
While Number 2, Agnosticism can be a lot varied.
I like the scale you post because it shows some of the tons of Agnosticism.
And we are talking about God, not an afterlife - actually, these concepts that are usually bring together can be separated. There can be afterlife without God, and there can be a God without an afterlife (this latter a lot of God believers would find an absurd).
I also need to reinforce that Jung did suggested, although I might not read his belief directly, that there is a general idea of God - a more abstract and general form of God. Although we have a tendency to think God always in Christian or in cousins beliefs, there is such notion in Islam or in other religions, and these paints God differently. And there is the pure abstract form of God - one that does not belong to any religion but to some sort of concepts and, sometimes, by some few morals (which in general I like to read about).
1. Strong theist 100% probability of God. In the words of Carl Jung: "I do not believe, I know"
2. De facto theist Very high probability but short of 100%. "I don't know for certain, but I strongly believe in God and live my life on the assumption that he is there"
3. Leaning towards theism Higher than 50% but not very high. "I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God"
4. Completely impartial Exactly 50%. "God's existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable"
5. Leaning towards atheism Lower than 50% but not very low. "I do not know whether God exists but I'm inclined to be skeptical"
6. De facto atheist Very low probability, but short of zero. "I don't know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there"
7. Strong atheist "I know there is no God, with the same conviction as Jung knows there is one"
I can say that I am 6 in terms of believing in a God that is and always been, simultaneously, perfect, "kind" (a "good person", except that it is not a person), benevolent, all-mighty powerful and present, because if God is and always been perfect, kind, benevolent, all-mighty powerful and present, then there would not be any suffering (I could not be tortured in any ways) and using the Devil or 'human free will' as an excuse does not cut for me.
However, I am 4 in terms of believing there is a God, either not much kind and with some cruelty (which I fear a lot tbh) (don't forget that Zeus is not painted on the western as kind a lot of times), or might not be all-mighty powerful or is just absent for some odd reason.
I am 3 in for an afterlife, and I also think that there might be "higher power(s)" that are not exactly God, spiritual things, and my afterlife notion is veeerryyy loose, so we can think of the force, 'higher' souls, etc...
In terms of wishes, I do actually want that a very God good exists and an afterlife..