• You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community, you will have access to additional post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), view blogs, respond to polls, upload content, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free, so please join our community today! Just click here to register. You should turn your Ad Blocker off for this site or certain features may not work properly. If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us by clicking here.

How deeply rooted into the universe is the enneagram seated?

KitchenFly

Member
Joined
Feb 5, 2015
Messages
651
When I was four years old there were two things I wanted to know. Not knowing a name for these two things the question was. How dose mind work and what is this that I am stuck in (The universe) the world how dose it work? These were two big questions that came from the trauma of my unity transforming. A new receptivity unto three different energies within another that was pulpable like an organic memory hard drive drawn upon by the individual to aid in there own survival as they move forward living.

I wont go into the story I wrote about it two decades ago on The Enneagram Institute Discussion Boards. I touch upon it to let the reader know that this discovery I am shearing insights about began fifty years ago when I was four years old.

Kids think deeply about life and self but they don't have the logos of language to communicate in words and we as adult's have not reconnected with the deeper unity within that allows communication via the quantum biology faculties of mind.

All above is natural and highlights work needs to be done to bridge the gap between infant / youngsters and egoic mind set developed adults.

This is a difficult topic to talk about so I am just going to put forward the logical components of my work. My approach is treat the hunt like a doing a jigsaw puzzle look for peace's and keep them in mind.

This find all started in about 2007 when I watched a science magazine show that was on and still is on Australian Tv call Catalyst. The program was addressing a question about Dark Energy, physics scientists could not answer. Why is the measurement number accurately measured, for Dark Energy, so small. A decimal point and then 122 zero's before finally a 138.

This question puzzled me and I saw a link between the 138 part of the number and carbon the enneagram and eight mater genes. A like is carbon based and all living creatures are made in eight sections via eight Master Genes. It all seemed quite abstracted but I recorder and posted my thought even though I new most would right it of as wish full abstract thinking. I would rather be labeled a fool and a crack pot then sit back and not shear my strange new ideas.

Well last Christmas December 2020 I was thinking about why I wanted to go back to University and complete my Math 1720 prerequisite to do real study and I thought about anti matter and matter and the enneagram and 19 Boundaries of Creation and thought two lots of nineteen equals 38 and I recalled back in 2000 I was looking for a link in nature that would have 144 parts and looked at the (CMB) Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation left over from the Big Bang / Big Explanation. I remembered back then the number I found was 122 not 144 and that 38 I thought was in there and that two 19 equaled 38 but in 2000 I did not know about the Anti Universe so It did not twig to me that a link existed. I had some colourful ideas about eight sets of 19 parts but it did not really gel as being real at a mechanical level of a working mechanism linked to the enneagram and nature. So I let it go at the time.

I revisited the (CMB) constant and sore the four sets of nineteen and thought wow these four rows of temperature's reminds me of time moving in two directions, up and down, left and right, backwards and forwards.


-273.15 Absolute Zero​

-274.15 Cosmic Microwave Background at One degree above Absolute Zero.​

-275.15 Cosmic Microwave Background at Two degrees above Absolute Zero.​

-276.15 Cosmic Microwave Background at Three degree above Absolute Zero.​

 

KitchenFly

Member
Joined
Feb 5, 2015
Messages
651
Dark energy number.




.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000138





What if the rules are different as you approach the quantum level it would not be cheating to expand the rules of applying mathematics.





So is this the answer to the puzzle?



Dark Energy Number.122 Zero in front of the 138 in the Dark Energy Number can be thought to be found in the (CMB) temperature range.​

-273.15 Absolute Zero​

-274.15 Cosmic Microwave Background at One degree above Absolute Zero.​

-275.15 Cosmic Microwave Background at Two degrees above Absolute Zero.​

-276.15 Cosmic Microwave Background at Three degree above Absolute Zero.​

Lets pretend there is a third implicate math that works via the quantum realm though the number zero. Each counting number on a number line has a power of one and a base of one and both of those one's for each number belongs to the zero on the Cartesian plain. Ok so lets look at these numbers with an idea in mind that has two sets of rules.​

Rule one: A number viewed from the hundred's Colum must be counted three times as if it has the same count in the ten's Colum and the units Colum.​

A number viewed in the ten's Colum must be counted two times as if it has the same count in the ten's Colum as if in the units Colum. And the unit's are counted once.​

Rule two: Any number/ numbers on the other side of the decimal point is are treated differently. They are simply added to create a sum tally number.​

Apply rule one and rule two:​

-273.15 Absolute Zero​

-274.15 Cosmic Microwave Background at One degree above Absolute Zero.​

-275.15 Cosmic Microwave Background at Two degrees above Absolute Zero.​

-276.15 Cosmic Microwave Background at Three degree above Absolute Zero.​

2 = 6 Zero's, 7 = 14 Zero's, 3 = 3 Zero's, (decimal point) 1 + 5 = 6. -273.15 (6 + 14 + 3 + 6 = 29) Twenty nine zero's.​

2 = 6 Zero's, 7 = 14 Zero's, 4 = 4 Zero's, (decimal point) 1 + 5 = 6. -273.15 (6 + 14 + 4 + 6 = 30) Thirty zero's.​

2 = 6 Zero's, 7 = 14 Zero's, 5 = 5 Zero's, (decimal point) 1 + 5 = 6. -273.15 (6 + 14 + 5 + 6 = 31) Thirty one zero's.​

2 = 6 Zero's, 7 = 14 Zero's, 6 = 6 Zero's, (decimal point) 1 + 5 = 6. -273.15 (6 + 14 + 6 + 6 = 32) Thirty two zero's.​

29 + 30 + 31 + 32 = 122​

Have you found the 38?



2 7 3. _ _

_ _ 4. _ _

_ _ 5. _ _

_ _ 6. _ _



2 = 6

7 = 14

3 = 3

4 = 4

5 = 5

6 = 6



The number values: 6 + 14 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 = 38



Now the are four sets of 38. Two sets of 19 Boundaries Off Creation. The idea is one 19 Boundaries Off Creation for the universe and one set of 19 Boundaries Off Creation for the anti universe. Fit nicely on the left side of the decimal point.



2 7 3. _ _

_ _ 4. _ _

_ _ 5. _ _

_ _ 6. _ _



2 = 6

7 = 14

3 = 3

4 = 4

5 = 5

6 = 6



The number values: 6 + 14 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 = 38



_ _ 3. _ _

2 7 4. _ _

_ _ 5. _ _

_ _ 6. _ _



2 = 6

7 = 14

3 = 3

4 = 4

5 = 5

6 = 6



The number values: 6 + 14 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 = 38



_ _3. _ _

_ _ 4. _ _

2 7 5. _ _

_ _ 6. _ _



2 = 6

7 = 14

3 = 3

4 = 4

5 = 5

6 = 6



The number values: 6 + 14 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 = 38



_ _3. _ _

_ _ 4. _ _

_ _ 5. _ _

2 7 6. _ _



2 = 6

7 = 14

3 = 3

4 = 4

5 = 5

6 = 6



The number values: 6 + 14 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 = 38
 

KitchenFly

Member
Joined
Feb 5, 2015
Messages
651
So that works nicely and if the reader adds the number: 2 + 7 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 from the number pattern above the sum of 27 can be found twenty seven parts and again in four configurations as like the 19 Boundaries Off Creation component.


As advanced enneagram students well know the number twenty seven is interesting because there are nine energies and three instincts and at the beeper level all nine energies are linked to the three instincts and we have the 27 type model of the enneagram with three instincts. It woks if you have active the law three within and are experiencing the no trance trace of nondual conches ness which is a fancy way of saying you have activated the quantum biological receptive part of minds functionality, You have one foot in the sub conches and and foot still in your egoic mind set.

Most people are not that healthy including me in the present moment I currently operate at the tear less connected to essences better nature at the level of six instinctual variants and eighteen egoic mind sets. Witch is good if the self has a health understanding of self and the human condition.

So there is something new for you to think about. I have been thinking about this number pattern for eight nine mouths now and have had some very interesting ideas.

I found that in the standard model of Practical Physics at the level the Quart,. of the colour quarts, within the atom each atom there are three quarts this is known by most people who are interested in such things and the idea that the three quarks and the three Instincts maybe linked is also an idea that has been sheared between enneagram thinkers but what is interesting is all the quarts in the form of there spins,. Spin zero, Spin 1/2, Spin 1 added fits just right as like the 27 and the two sets of 19. And on just the other side of the decimal point 1+5 = 6 works just nice for M theory because it has five maths that go into a sixth math making six Parts the six part model of M Theory. And 1 + 5 is interesting when looking at the direction of rotation of Pluto's six moons size component planet bodies/ moons. Five spin clock wise and one spins anti clock wise. Reminds me of the six instinctual variants and the nature of the Social Sexual variant instinct how it seems so different emotionally from the other five Instinctual Variants. Remember to acknowledge that all those six moon size objects are made of atoms and the atoms are made of smaller quantum parts just like Earth and the rest of the solar system and galaxy and larger universe of objects.

I am a INFP 9w1w8 1221 D type 9w1 5w6 4w5 Sx/sp, so as you can see my Instinctual variant is focused towards seeking a metaphysical quantum connection with the an understanding of the expiscate and implicate order. The Sx instinct is not all about Sex its actually more about a metaphysical quantum connection with the world and others. That's my say and I will leave it at that I am not interested in getting into an argument with the enneagram scholars who draft typologies and set the standard of understanding. Now back on track with the subject.

The Idea is to look for clues as to the maniacal order at the quantum level underpinning creation the known universe.

My model is best thought of as being a simple count of parts with in a number pattern that is related to a constant of nature,. Temperature. The hidden math is the puzzle of the terrain mass and energy only make up about 5% of the universe and its the other 95% I am thinking about and it is invisible to the naked eye our only attachment to its implicate order is via our connection to our own quantum biology and its workings and I believe it is important to reach an epoch were most or all humans have activated there law of three within via the primary school system at the age of 10 in grade 4-5. But my goal is not to get all political but to demonstrate that I have put much thought into this line of thinking since I woke my self up to activating the law of three in me when I was in primary school in grade 5 and enjoyed the energy for three years until I allowed the energy focus to diminish into the back ground to be forgotten.

I will post my realisation the order of the count of quarts and spins in a few days on this topic page when I am in the mood to re think it though the rest should be simple enough for you to work in your own mind. Just keep in mind that all suggested is suggested to be taking place at the quantum level were the temperatures are different at the Quantum Level things behave differently it is said by those who study such physics.

I am not a math scholar or a physics scholar just a layman seeking a large understanding about how it work mind and the universe that host it and us as a collective.

Here are to links that may assist the reader.


Custom Universe​




Quantum Field Theory visualized​




Is there an Anti-Universe? - Neil Turok​




Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation - Sixty Symbols​


 

Vendrah

New forum night mode looks cool!
Joined
Mar 26, 2017
Messages
1,731
MBTI Type
NP
Enneagram
952
As someone who knew and had some people as teachers that had a master in physics, please, don't do what you are doing.
They absolute hate the associations to with modern physics with any sort of mythicism or just as a cheap way to sell ideas and things, such as coaching. This includes the enneagram. Sometimes it reaches to a point where is even disrespectful of serious works.

Physics does not gives solid proof to the enneagram.

I also not a fan of the idea that the Enneagram is an unquestionable system rooted on the universe given by the Gods - that humans have exactly 9 types, as they stated, "by designed". I find that a critical thinking drainer.
 

KitchenFly

Member
Joined
Feb 5, 2015
Messages
651
Now that you have viewed the video Is there an Anti-Universe? - Neil Turok we can take an other look at the number pattern from a more classical count perspective more simple count but equally abstract as with the new two rules I suggest maybe real.

The Idea here is the Anti-Universe could be the Red 27 or the Black 27. And that there are four different mixes, again:

Time, X, Y, Z.

Or

[time traveling in two directions]

[up , down]

[left , right]

[back , forwards]




In Black: 2+ 7 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 = 27
In Red: 2 + 7 + 2 + 7 + 2 + 7 =27

2 7 3​

2 7 4​

2 7 5​

2 7 6​

In Black: 2+ 7 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 = 27
In Red: 2 + 7 + 2 + 7 + 2 + 7 =27

2 7 3​

2 7 4​

2 7 5​

2 7 6​

In Black: 2+ 7 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 = 27
In Red: 2 + 7 + 2 + 7 + 2 + 7 =27

2 7 3​

2 7 4​

2 7 5​

2 7 6​

In Black: 2+ 7 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 = 27
In Red: 2 + 7 + 2 + 7 + 2 + 7 =27

2 7 3​

2 7 4​

2 7 5​

2 7 6​


 

KitchenFly

Member
Joined
Feb 5, 2015
Messages
651
As someone who knew and had some people as teachers that had a master in physics, please, don't do what you are doing.
They absolute hate the associations to with modern physics with any sort of mythicism or just as a cheap way to sell ideas and things, such as coaching. This includes the enneagram. Sometimes it reaches to a point where is even disrespectful of serious works.

Physics does not gives solid proof to the enneagram.

I also not a fan of the idea that the Enneagram is an unquestionable system rooted on the universe given by the Gods - that humans have exactly 9 types, as they stated, "by designed". I find that a critical thinking drainer.
Well thanks for your reply.

I have sent a copy of my basic number pattern model shown here to about twenty of the top physicists and mathematic specialists. Including the physicists in the custom universe video.

I also asked the mathematics department at UWA in Perth Australia to research it and they have taken it on to assess it.

So far the secret police and The NSA have not kicked my door down and confiscated my computer.

If you watch the Custom Universe video you may see they seek input into helping to develop a theory as to why 122 zero number is so small.

Cheers.

KitchenFly.
 

Vendrah

New forum night mode looks cool!
Joined
Mar 26, 2017
Messages
1,731
MBTI Type
NP
Enneagram
952
I have sent a copy of my basic number pattern model shown here to about twenty of the top physicists and mathematic specialists. Including the physicists in the custom universe video.

I also asked the mathematics department at UWA in Perth Australia to research it and they have taken it on to assess it.

So far the secret police and The NSA have not kicked my door down and confiscated my computer.

If you watch the Custom Universe video you may see they seek input into helping to develop a theory as to why 122 zero number is so small.
Ok, but none of that really put the enneagram deeply rooted on the universe or on physics. I know the thread started with a question, though.
 

JocktheMotie

Habitual Fi LineStepper
Joined
Nov 20, 2008
Messages
8,455
The Dark Energy number is so small because spacetime is so vast. It needs to be that small. Also, that's calculated based on the "observable" universe and the universe can be larger than what we observe due to the inflationary period of spacetime growth.

I do not think the enneagram is structured into the universe at all. Grasping at straws buddy.
 

KitchenFly

Member
Joined
Feb 5, 2015
Messages
651
The Dark Energy number is so small because spacetime is so vast. It needs to be that small. Also, that's calculated based on the "observable" universe and the universe can be larger than what we observe due to the inflationary period of spacetime growth.

I do not think the enneagram is structured into the universe at all. Grasping at straws buddy.
Well thanks for you thoughts. I suggest It maybe good to be open minded. My understanding is that the enneagram of personality is only a miner part of the understanding of the enneagram and its role in nature.

Cheers.
 

KitchenFly

Member
Joined
Feb 5, 2015
Messages
651
To out right reject these ideas this work is to reject the idea that there is a implicate mathematical order underpinning nature.

Don't be so simple minded the universe is complex and mind is not separate from the order of the universe. The instrument of the mind is made of the same stuff at the quantum level it is a tool or own scientific tool to view the world and experience the universe as we individually experience it. Who it works 'The Mind",. can help us understand how the universe works.

Its not an idea that is that hard to understand.

Reject apathy and ascidia. They are focuses of attention, fixed mind set attitudinal energies that don't really serve the individual in the long run.

The universe is complex. Don't be scared to explore new possibilities. That's how we build knowledge.
 
Last edited:

Methylene

Now with less salt.
Joined
Oct 10, 2016
Messages
1,818
MBTI Type
LGBT
Enneagram
639
Instinctual Variant
so/sp
Studying quantum mechs in university, the first thing my professor warned us about was the risk of romanticizing it.
 
Last edited:

KitchenFly

Member
Joined
Feb 5, 2015
Messages
651
Studying quantum mechs in university, the first thing my professor warned us about was the risk of romantizing it.
Sounds like good advice. I maybe guilty of "Romanising It" but I'm ok with that because I am searching for structure. A little excitement is sometimes needed to excite the ego to keep its interest.

Thanks for your input.

Good luck with your studies. What are you hoping to achieve after you have graduated?
 

Methylene

Now with less salt.
Joined
Oct 10, 2016
Messages
1,818
MBTI Type
LGBT
Enneagram
639
Instinctual Variant
so/sp
Sounds like good advice. I maybe guilty of "Romanising It" but I'm ok with that because I am searching for structure. A little excitement is sometimes needed to excite the ego to keep its interest.

Thanks for your input.

Good luck with your studies. What are you hoping to achieve after you have graduated?
I corrected the typo.

After graduating in theoretical chemistry, my goal is to pursue a PhD in astrochemistry and work in research in that field. Possibly, I'm also considering taking up science divulgation projects. There's too much ignorance around about basic science concepts.

The problem with romanticizing any subject, is that you may lose track of what makes sense and what not. Patterns are fascinating, but care for implying there could be causation, you might be looking in the wrong direction.
 

тень

тень
Joined
Jun 20, 2018
Messages
5,837
MBTI Type
TiNi
Enneagram
649
Instinctual Variant
so/sp
Ennegram is incredibly shallow compared to quantum physics. All astrology, and related mediums of personality identity systems are. It is just one facet of a kleins bottle.

"I think, therefor I am." I like to believe existence itself exists, because you observe it.
 

Luminous

Sαɳƈƚυαɾყ
Joined
Oct 25, 2017
Messages
9,566
MBTI Type
Iᑎᖴᑭ
Enneagram
952
Instinctual Variant
sx/sp
Ennegram is incredibly shallow compared to quantum physics. All astrology, and related mediums of personality identity systems are. It is just one facet of a kleins bottle.

"I think, therefor I am." I like to believe existence itself exists, because you observe it.
The enneagram is far far far far different from astrology. Enneagram is actually based on core fears and desires. The other is based on when you were born, which has nothing to do with fears, desires, defense mechanisms, etc.
 

тень

тень
Joined
Jun 20, 2018
Messages
5,837
MBTI Type
TiNi
Enneagram
649
Instinctual Variant
so/sp
The enneagram is far far far far different from astrology. Enneagram is actually based on core fears and desires. The other is based on when you were born, which has nothing to do with fears, desires, defense mechanisms, etc.
I just meant it on a level of philosophy, not so much classification. Not to say ennegram is more or less valid that astrology. Think of it like religion, while you may or may not agree with them equally/rationally. They are all in the same group.
 

Luminous

Sαɳƈƚυαɾყ
Joined
Oct 25, 2017
Messages
9,566
MBTI Type
Iᑎᖴᑭ
Enneagram
952
Instinctual Variant
sx/sp
I just meant it on a level of philosophy, not so much classification. Not to say ennegram is more or less valid that astrology. Think of it like religion, while you may or may not agree with them equally/rationally. They are all in the same group.
Some personality theories do attempt to join social sciences, though. They can't by nature be hard sciences.
 

тень

тень
Joined
Jun 20, 2018
Messages
5,837
MBTI Type
TiNi
Enneagram
649
Instinctual Variant
so/sp
Some personality theories do attempt to join social sciences, though. They can't by nature be hard sciences.
Yup they cant be hard sciences by nature (either one), that is why I classify them as such together. All soft sciences, and personality theory in general. But if you want to to divide those even more, there is more concrete vs abstract theories about personality theory. Astrology falls entirely in the realm of abstract, while mbti or ennegram falls on the side of concrete. That is why I give so much weight to mbti/ennegram over astrology. I never once even considered astrology as anything more than meaningless fun.
 

JocktheMotie

Habitual Fi LineStepper
Joined
Nov 20, 2008
Messages
8,455
Sounds like good advice. I maybe guilty of "Romanising It" but I'm ok with that because I am searching for structure. A little excitement is sometimes needed to excite the ego to keep its interest.

Thanks for your input.

Good luck with your studies. What are you hoping to achieve after you have graduated?

You are not searching for structure, you are forcing structure.
 

The Cat

All Good Things...
Staff member
Joined
Oct 15, 2016
Messages
19,515
tumblr_onpx1arYJS1qfr6udo1_400.gif
 
Top