We are literally the advocate or the champion because we naturally get pumped up and excited about potential and all the amazing ways that can be played out (ne) idea generators. We have strong empathy for an individual's personal plight (fi) we are naturally non-judgy (filtering out the negative by empathizing with it's realness) and focusing on the positive potential.
yes---this is going on--its true and real and authentic and you are human and it's okay because you also have this and that amazing super power that means you can go onto to do all of these wonderful things using your own unique gifts.
champion mindset. we see into people in this way and spotlight the beauty to lift them up.
this spills out into the world in various way and situations...which in turn gives one a positive, upbeat outlook.
also--many of us are 7's.
obviously many of us can have situations that make us sad but only a trusted few will ever see it. we don't love being vulnerable. we don't like to be emotionally taken care of. (except possibly by your SO)
it feel like a burden to affect others moods in a negative way...i don't want to lay my bad mood in your lap. i'll take care of it and not burden anyone with it.
see my answer to abcdenfp, I have pretty much the same thoughts since your answers are similar and I answered them first. lol.
I have always said that i can see the beauty in others even if they cant, I can sniff out what's amazing.
My cautionary tale is that I can make people feel too good about themselves and then they depend on me for uplifting.
I also try to see people from a more rounded perspective especially SO's i think far too many times i have worn rose colored glasses.
do you care so much about other people? Logically speaking, are you lacking something in yourself? Looking recognition? Why are you so idealistic?
ENFPs are often inspired which is a state that enjoys the fusion of feeling and creativity brought about by Ne and Fi. Often confused with positivity or whimsicality. ENFPs can also very much be unbearably negative.
Anyway, just people stereotyping which is unfortunately a battle that's very seldom won. Like you know, ESTJs are all squares and such.
Why are they inspired?
Yeah, stereotyping is annoying as hell. It's a hack code for misunderstanding, isn't it?
I've never known this to be true. More often seems the case with some ESFJs and ESFPs though. I think what ABCENFP said is closer. They are good at giving advice and building others up, but they will often do this even when their own mood is sitting near the bottom of the marianas trench. The people being uplifted or helped tend to be so absorbed in the positve feels they're experiencing as a result of the ENFP's championing that they likely miss subtle cues that all may not be as well as it seems for the ENFP. They seem similar to INFJs in that regard. Both will sacrifice their own happiness or suffer in silence whilst projecting a bubbly outward persona to the world and helping build other people up. I'm married to an INFJ and my older sister is an ENFP, so I have seen the darker side a lot and I am also generally good at reading when people aren't as happy as they may initially seem. These two types are especially prone to giving more than they ever receive and sometimes overextend themselves in their generosity and helpfulness. If you have an ENFP or an INFJ in your life, just be aware that they are likely fighting their own hard battles but have simply decided to keep this from you out of a sense of selflessness. Return the favor and build them up with a compliment or a thanks every once in a while.
Fair enough. My Mom (ESFJ) is one of those people who does try and have a "good atmosphere" to keep things moving. She is a typical "Mom" figure if you get me. She cares a lot about well-being, but I wouldn't say that she is as optimistic as ENFP in the metaphorical/word sense. The championing is too much for me.
I still don't understand why people are so altruistic and try to build other people up. And for the people to be uplifted, they have to give in to the ENFPs schtick and "let" them compliment them and give them "good vibes", which doesn't always work outright. I can miss cues because I'm not very good at Fi or Fe. I try to focus my Se on that in social situations when I have to, but otherwise, it's difficult for me to do. It makes me come across as a super ass when I am not intending to, it seems.
Sacrificing self joy to serve others? Motivational speakers. As I said, it is all psychological and it doesn't always work. Being too generous and overextending yourself is not healthy in the long run, nor does it make sense. I will probably forget to compliment them. I don't do compliments, I just do truths. Not a sentimental person at all.
Positivist =/= happy/bubbly. Just means you notice/focus on the positive over the negative. Positivist/negativist is literally just the equivalent of "glass is half empty/half full." Negativist will point out what's missing/needed (thus making them good at being improvement oriented), positivist will point out what's present/good. Doesn't mean you're going to be happy and energetic all of the time.
I suppose so, and I guess that Positive/Negative is more relevant and cemented into Socionics than MBTI, but I just see that as a stereotype in MBTI (ENFP positivity). Yeah, nothing is wrong with either outlook but I do find it interesting that the stereotype is that it seems to be prevalent to the ENFP personality type. I agree that you won't be happy all the time, but people also confuse it with just being happy. You can be content/happy but point out things that are missing, and vice versa.
Humans are, in general, simple-minded creatures. Really not that bright, but still capable of more than they achieve. When it comes to understanding others, most humans want the easy route, the shortcut, the quick/easy/simple answer. They don't want to apply themselves to genuinely wrap their minds around complex nuances. That results in making assumptions, jumping to conclusions, stereotyping, and all kinds of (chosen) stupidity. I say "stupidity" because it is chosen
despite having more capability. To me, that is the definition of stupidity: being capable
of more, but refusing
to learn by choice.
It's easier to just toss everyone into boxes than it is to pursue being an active listener. Most people are sheeple who prefer the familiar/what's similar to them. They don't want to understand those who are outside of the box, those who are different. They want to make a box and shove everyone into it. When it's not typology, it's always some other category. Aristocracy ties in as well.
So, then you get...
I agree, but for some people, it is hard(er) for them to actually understand nuances in other people. Logically, everyone's brains are not wired to do that, and it's difficult for them to understand those aspects of people. Some people do want to have shortcuts, but I also think that it is beneficial for some people to understand it roughly ad figure out the rest for themselves, and fill out the blanks 'cause that's how it works best for them.
I think that stereotypes are harmful if they are taken as "full truths" and not critically examined and understood. Yeah, some people don't want to learn or hone their critical thinking skills because they're happy with being ignorant and believing their skewed views of 'what is'. If the boxes are inaccurate, then you're not going to understand and learn anything, if you have finalized conclusions. I agree that people don't want to understand things. Ignorance is bliss to those people.
Hierarchies are misunderstood. People never question why they're how they are, and they don't challenge them. They don't want to examine them, break them down. Make their own conclusions and opinions. They want to stay inside their boxes as you said. That's definitely an issue in on itself. But if people don't challenge themselves, they're gonna rot and stay stagnant, but that's how society is, and that's how it goes. It needs a reshuffle, but that's another post for another day.