Why is Star Trek: Voyager regarded poorly by so many trekkies?

Julius_Van_Der_Beak · Jul 15, 2015

Starcrash said:

You know, I wasn't surprised to find out that existed. I think that fact alone proves that my innocence has been lost.

Totenkindly · Jul 15, 2015

I had actually looked for one like that and couldn't find it.
Congratulations.

(...I'm going to go scrub my eyeballs with sandpaper now.)

Mane · Jul 15, 2015

I am not sure, but for me, I suspect that it's at least partially because I was a lot younger during most of TNG & was less familiar and jaded with all the recycled tropes and was not yet exposed to as many higher quality shows, and... Reasons & stuff.

Mind you...

DS9 is still my favorite. I would say Sisko should be offended for even taking a sit in this comparison, but he wouldn't give a fuck, because he's fucking Sisko.

Luke O · Jul 15, 2015

Did Voyager suffer from an effect of running alongside DS9? As in DS9 is so great with its badass captain, and great chemistry between characters, we don't need to give two shiny shites about Voyager.

Doctor Cringelord · Jul 16, 2015

Luke O said:
Did Voyager suffer from an effect of running alongside DS9?

I think so, to some extent. This will seem contradictory, but I think that it also benefited from running simultaneously. Voyager rode on DS9's coattails. There were many crossovers or elements from DS9 which worked their way into Voyager and vice versa (having Dr. Zimmerman as a guest on both series, the inclusion of the Maquis, the Cardassian spy Seska, etc...it's a stretch, but Voyager also did its own unofficial mirror universe episode [w/o actually visiting said universe] in "Living Witness," which I think was an attempt to capitalize on the popularity of DS9's sojourns into the mirror universe)

Luke O · Jul 16, 2015

Starcrash said:
I think so, to some extent. This will seem contradictory, but I think that it also benefited from running simultaneously.

In someways yes, especially when the Voyager story linked back into the events in the Alpha Quadrant as in Message In A Bottle.

Doctor Cringelord · Jul 16, 2015

Luke O said:
In someways yes, especially when the Voyager story linked back into the events in the Alpha Quadrant as in Message In A Bottle.

I wish they'd found more ways to link to Alpha Quad events.

It also bothered me that little mention is ever made of the Beta Quadrant, despite the fact that a good portion of the UFP and the majority of Klingon/Romulan space was in that quadrant. If you consider all of the leaps and shortcuts USS Voyager made along the way, it's reasonable to guess they would have already entered the Beta Quadrant by season 6 or 7, but I think the writers were afraid it would confuse viewers.

Mane · Jul 17, 2015

Mind fart: for a moment I forgot about the ST galactic chart, and tried reading that instead like a socionics analysis ^

Luke O · Jul 17, 2015

Starcrash said:
I wish they'd found more ways to link to Alpha Quad events.

It also bothered me that little mention is ever made of the Beta Quadrant, despite the fact that a good portion of the UFP and the majority of Klingon/Romulan space was in that quadrant. If you consider all of the leaps and shortcuts USS Voyager made along the way, it's reasonable to guess they would have already entered the Beta Quadrant by season 6 or 7, but I think the writers were afraid it would confuse viewers.

Star Trek The Undiscovered Country - seeing the different races in Rura Penthe, vast majority would have been from the Beta Quadrant within or near to Klingon space is one insight, but ironically, the Beta Quadrant has not been explored that much, it's an undiscovered country...

Doctor Cringelord · Jul 17, 2015

Mane said:
Mind fart: for a moment I forgot bout the ST galactic chart, and tried reading that instead like a socionics analysis ^

This is the USS Jung!

Luke O said:
Star Trek The Undiscovered Country - seeing the different races in Rura Penthe, vast majority would have been from the Beta Quadrant within or near to Klingon space is one insight, but ironically, the Beta Quadrant has not been explored that much, it's an undiscovered country...

Good point. I always wondered where Mr. Knee Testicles might come from.

PeaceBaby · Jul 17, 2015

Luke O said:
Did Voyager suffer from an effect of running alongside DS9? As in DS9 is so great with its badass captain, and great chemistry between characters, we don't need to give two shiny shites about Voyager.

DS9 was a consistently overacted series.

Doctor Cringelord · Jul 17, 2015

I thought DS9 had 2 or 3 decent main characters. The rest of the cast was very meh. The best characters were usually the recurring guests. Gul Dukat is my favorite Trek villain.

prplchknz · Jul 17, 2015

I grew up watching voyager with my dad. he was a trekkie so we watched tng, deep space 9. I'm watching the original series now as i never had the chance to. and I've not watched voyager since i was a kid but i do remember enjoying.

also first time I watched TNG i loved geordi and his vizer and i use to put a head band over my eyes and pretend i had a vizer like him that's all i remember completely but i have watched it again sense. keep in mind TNG came out when I was 9 months old

Doctor Cringelord · Jul 17, 2015

prplchknz said:
I grew up watching voyager with my dad. he was a trekkie so we watched tng, deep space 9. I'm watching the original series now as i never had the chance to. and I've not watched voyager since i was a kid but i do remember enjoying.

also first time I watched TNG i loved geordi and his vizer and i use to put a head band over my eyes and pretend i had a vizer like him that's all i remember completely but i have watched it again sense. keep in mind TNG came out when I was 9 months old

Oh yeah, this one is from that brief period where Geordi decided to try a beard.

Julius_Van_Der_Beak · Jul 17, 2015

Mane said:
Mind fart: for a moment I forgot bout the ST galactic chart, and tried reading that instead like a socionics analysis ^

Does that make NTJs and SFPs the Dominion? And NFP's and STJs into the Borg Collective?

93JC · Jul 17, 2015

Starcrash said:
Oh yeah, this one is from that brief period where Geordi decided to try a beard.

He should have kept it and made everyone else...

Doctor Cringelord · Jul 17, 2015

93JC said:
He should have kept it and made everyone else...

Perhaps Geordi was just growing a Parrises Squares "playoffs" beard

Mane · Jul 17, 2015

Vulcan said:
Does that make NTJs and SFPs the Dominion? And NFP's and STJs into the Borg Collective?

It also means you are on the wrong side:

Julius_Van_Der_Beak · Jul 17, 2015

Mane said:
It also means you are on the wrong side:

Is this a Romulan thing? I don't trust Romulans.

BadOctopus · Jul 17, 2015

Luke O said:
Did Voyager suffer from an effect of running alongside DS9? As in DS9 is so great with its badass captain, and great chemistry between characters, we don't need to give two shiny shites about Voyager.

The Sisko was awesome. Although I must admit, I found Avery Brooks's acting style a little unusual at times. The stilted way of speaking, with... pauses at seemingly... random places.

Still, he did punch Q in the face, and it was glorious. Not even Picard did that, and I'm sure he wanted to.

Why is Star Trek: Voyager regarded poorly by so many trekkies?

Was Star Trek Voyager Good?

It was awesome

It was okay, but basically TNG-lite

It was total shit and any trace of it should be stranded in the Delta quadrant

Janeway's voice annoyed me

Neelix. Enough said.

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