He's also a staunch conservative of the law and order variety and I have never heard anyone compare him to George Soros. That sounds like utter bullshit. So I googled "Herbert Reul Soros" and couldn't find anything either. Not sure where that comparison is coming from, it seems completely unmotivated to me.
On twitter comments for that tweet.
as anybody with a brain forsee that the far-right (mainly the AfD) will highjack this topic and try to use it for political gain. That's just common sense because they have done that with every single crises in the last few years. And why wouldn't they. That's the legitimate right of the opposition. The problem is that when the far-right protest, they don't just write letters to the editor or go on peaceful demonstrations. They write death threats and rape threats to polticians, journalists and scientists. They physically threaten and beat up journalists trying to cover their demonstrations. They tried to storm the parliamentary building. There already was an assassination of a minor local politician.
That's right wing populism for AfD. Legit protests are too. If illegal actions were linked to AfD, they would've shut down the party already and arrested its leaders.
The people that think Germany should support Putin
the people who think climate change isn't real or not a really problem
the people who think Covid is fake or not a real problem
the people who think vaccinations are useless or even dangerous
the people who think refugees shouldn't receive help or are dangerous
the people who have a problem with LGBTQ people
the people who have a problem with supporting minorities of any kind
the people who support Trump or even believe in QAnon ...
Those ^ are usually from the libertarian right (i.e. lower right quadrant on meme compass) and to my understanding are xSTPs. They have distrust of the establishment and the government. Btw the party compass was unfortunately prepared with authoritarianism at the bottom, whereas the meme chart with authoritarianism on top. If I tilt it horizontally to make it compatible with the meme chart, it looks like this, do you think the placements are still correct? If they are, parties in the libertarian right are B90/Grüne and FDP.
... there is a huge overlap. It's always the same people. What gets their blood boiling changes from season to season, but it's the same people. The AfD feeds on them. So does, in part, the far-left. They take partially justified discontent and offer fake simplistic solutions.
^Populism.
It is reaonable to assume that the usual suspects will yet again protest, yet again become violent and yet again dream of overthrowing the government, install an authoritarian regime and execute the current government. I'm not making this up. There is a long paper trail of police and court records. This is a known fact. There are elements, a small minority of the population, who want to overthrown not just the current government but the entire state and install a new state and kill their political opponents. This is a simple fact. It is also a known fact that they try to and partially succeed in recruiting relatively normal average citizens during times of crises because they offer a way to vent both justified and unjustified frustrations. What Reul is saying, and I agree with him, is that this will likely happen yet again this winter when people suffer from higher energy prices. The reason for these higher energy prices, by the way, is a political decision by Russia, not Germany.
I'll get to party politics in the next post. This one is getting too long already.
Again, this^ doesn't sound like the upper right quadrant, they are authoritarian but are lawful and operate within the bounds of the system, they may be getting votes from Neo-nazis and skinheads (far lower right quadrant) and sort because the latter probably cannot form a legal party on their own.
The placement of the parties in the Cartesian system is correct. The parliamentary distribution also looks right but a bit irritating because it has swapped left and right. The party descriptions however are far off:
Obviously attributing MBTI types to parties is a bit silly, but let's have a look at this anyway.
^Note that there was a mismatch in vertical axis placement by default. I tilted it to make it compatible with the meme chart.
The SPD (Social Democrats) are historically the party of the working class but have lost their audience over time. Not sure what type they'd be, but IXXJ sounds weird. definitely not INTJ or ISTJ, maybe XSFJ. They are the elderly lady volunteering at the soup kitchen or your colleague from the works council who trains the childrens soccer team and volunteers at the local firefighters.
^They are the ISxJs.
The Greens are also hard to place but I'm not sure where you're getting "hard working immigrant" (who is in a different quadrant altogether). They tend to be be the choice of urban and educated people though.
^See the titled chart above. Your definition sounds like The Berliner, student, left-wing NPC and the European, which would place them on the lower (libertarian) left quadrant, meaning their placement on the party compass must be wrong and should move to the left somewhat. That places them closer to xxFPs.
The FDP is socially and economicall liberal but mainly a "down with taxes, down with welfare" party and thinly veiled lobby group for higher income groups. XNTJ perhaps.
Similarly if they were closer to xNTJs, I would expect them to be Bavarian Supremacist on the meme chart. That would mean their placement on the party chart should move a bit up to the authoritarian/regulatory side (upper right quadrant).
The Linke is definitely not the same as Children of Greta (once again different quadrant!). On the contrary, they have an awkward relationship with climate action and climate protesters (who tend to vote the Greens if anything). They see themself as defender of lower income people against the burden that comes with energy transition (and all the other challenges of our time). They also try to compete with the far-right over frustrated voters and often awkwardly agree with the other extreme of the political spectrum on quite a few issues (which is what the last cartoon is referring to).
Again, that would mean their placement on the party chart is a bit off. Currently their spot is closer to The Marxist theorist and the Berliner. They might be an xxFJ type of welfare/social state party, and maybe they should be a bit higher up on the upper left quadrant. If AfD is xSTJs, that would make sense that they agree on some issues if Linke is xxFJ.
The CSU is neither neo-nazi nor Putinist (maybe you are confusing them with the AfD)- they are a special case in that they have been governing Bavaria and only Bavaria since the dawn of the republic. They are a political mixed bag. Generally socially conservative but much less extreme than the AfD (or the American GOP) and actually in favor of Covid measures and climate action. They can be either to the right or the left of the CDU depending on the issue at hand but have been historically the most conservative party that is still plainly democratic and "working within rather than against the system".
The Neo-Nazi and Putinist meme comes from the meme chart for their spot on the party chart, either they are misplaced on the party chart or the Neo-Nazis are actually misplaced on the meme chart. As I said, what you mean by Neo-Nazis are actually on the far right of the libertarian/anarchist spectrum. They want to teardown the system so that they can act criminally without repercussions. People are mistaking upper right quadrant for Neo-Nazism yet parties in the upper right quadrant (including AfD) still wants to act within the bounds of the system. If the don't they should be somewhere on the lower quadrants.
AfD - (Right-wing populist + Reichsbürger) - The party used to stretch from just conservative to pretty far right when it was founded but has since moved continuously futher to the right and now is a mix of the generally disgruntled, fascist wannabe-revolutionaries and tin-foil hat wearing QAnon worshippers. Parts of the party are officially under observation by the secret service for anti-constitutional activities (aka trying to overthrow the German state and potential terrorist activities)
If that's so they may actually have shifted to the lower quadrants, scheming to take over the system thru illegal means.
Again, the CSU is neither neo-nazi nor Putinist. They are middle class conservative and very much defenders of the current system. They have nothing in common with hooligans or the prince.
That means the placement of Neo-Nazis on the meme chart is wrong and should be moved to the lower right quadrant. Meaning that, if AfD is correctly placed on the party chart, they cannot be Neo-Nazis either (though they may be getting votes from them due to lack of libertarian right party options).
I'd rather leave MBTI out of this but neonazis do tend to have a criminal record. Yes. And there is an overlap with hooligans in real life, but not in the Cartesian system you posted (note how your meme places neo-nazis and hooligans on opposite ends of the aurthoritarian axis? That's bullshit because while neonazis tend to strive for an extremely authoritarian state akin to the Third Reich their methods of getting there are anarchist (i.e. beating up leftists and foreigners with a baseball bat or comitting terrorists attacks on synagogues, etc).
Agreed. The meme chart should move them to far lower right quadrant, i.e. ISTPs most likely. However that would also mean AfD cannot be Neo-Nazis. What about Putinists on the meme chart though, could they be misplaced as well?
The FDP on the other hand couldn't be further away from hooligans. Yes, they favor civil liberties and a small government and are the closest thing we have to Libertarians, but they tend to be very bourgeouis higher income people, higher education and higher social status with a nice house and a nice car. They are not anarchists, they just want to be left alone making money. They definitely don't want to overthrow the system, just make it even more comfortable for rich people (and they are fine with LGBTQ rights and climate action and all that as long as it doesn't impact their balance sheet). They probably love the business opportunities that an oligarchy like Russia offers but wouldn't like the lack of civil liberties.
Sounds like ENTJs, that would move them slightly higher to the bottom of the upper right quadrant on the party chart, corresponds to the Bavarian supremacist on the meme chart.
The Linke is pro-Russian for two main reasons a) They are traditionally a party of the East and the people of the East grew up viewing America as the bad guys and the Soviet Union and their big brother. They learned Russian at school and have closer cultural links to Eastern Europe. b) As a far-left party they are basically anti-capitalist and as such anti-American. Russia is the prime enemy of the US so going by that alone they tend to favor Russia. They usually know that Russia is an oppressive dictatorship but prefer to turn a blind eye or engage in whataboutism whenever Russia is criticized.
They may have roots in the Eastern/Soviet Germany. Sounds like ExFJ. Are they into social welfare state?
All that being said, all the above mentioned parties with the acception of the AfD (and maybe small parts within the Linke) are working within the constitution, support liberal democracy and want to defend Germany and German interests (they just have different visions of what that means). They are all mostly moderates by American standards. It's only the political extremes (and mostly the AfD) that actually have wet dreams of the downfall of the entire country and a blood-soaked revolution. Only they ally with Putin.
Those extremists are actually people of the lower right quadrant that cannot find any other option for political representation as their ideologies wouldn't be allowed to exist legally within the system. Probably ISTPs. That's what I've been suspecting all along. I am wondering if Hitler himself was an ISTP to begin with and turned Germany into a criminal (unlawful) organization with his charm and killed any dissenters who didn't submit to his rule. That would make him the Prince on the meme chart.
Now, the SPD is a special case in that it is above suspicion of actually liking Putin and his political system but have close historical ties to Russia because of their long tradition as a workers party (which implied being a bit more neutral and trying to act as brokers and negotiators during the cold war). Many in the party had long closed their eyes to what was actually going on in Russia until it was too late. They believed Russia could be a friend because they wanted to believe that. Schroeder himself once called Putin a "flawless democrat". Russia's actions of the last few months came as a shock to many of them.
I think Putin might also be an ESTJ, which would mean TJ oriented political parties would feel affinity to him, but CDU and CSU don't, maybe due to religious differences, Russians being Orthodox.
Thanks for the detailed response.