Shadow Play
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Mm I see. Agreeableness wise I'm typically inn the 45-65 range, with a slight skew towards being more agreeable:
View attachment 20778 This is the whole thing if it helps, this one seems to characterize my typical results pretty well.
I've always had difficulty figuring out if I fell on the F or T side of things. I've considered INtP heavily in the past though (both dichtometry wise and via the cognitive functions) and have gotten positive feedback with that, so it's definitely plausible. Dichotomy wise, I've always struggled most with the T/F axis (probably unreasonably). Could neuroticism also play a role in my confusion? High neuroticism typically leans more towards emotional reactivity anyhow which could be where I'm struggling.
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I agree that Neuroticism can skewer one's T/F preferences. If you're a Limbic T, it's more about in what way you are sensitive, rather than whether or not you are sensitive. I'm a Limbic T, and I have turbulent emotional experiences. I'm prone to feelings of disappointment and stress, I'm stirred by sad music and stories, and I've had to wrestle with a fair amount of angst in the past few years. For those fed pop culture archetypes of Thinkers as Vulcans or robots, a Thinker possessing strong emotions seems like an oxymoron. However, even though I'm Limbic, what makes me a Thinker is that I don't feel as though my emotions are an inseparable part of me or that they're telling me something about myself. I see my emotions as being like a storm I got caught in. They're something I experience, and I weather the storm until it passes. In contrast, a Feeler would be more likely to analyse their emotional responses, both so they can figure out why they feel that way and also so they can work out how they should feel about something.
Also, even though I may be very sensitive to my own internal responses, I have a fairly thick skin against external responses. I basically don't give a fuck about any criticism that comes my way; if it's constructive criticism, I'll chew it over, but otherwise I just move along doing my own thing. It's very difficult for me to take others' remarks personally. I don't set out to intentionally offend people, but if people take offence at what I say when I criticise their ideas or the things they've produced, that's their problem, not mine, because it should've been clear I meant nothing personal.
What theory is this from? I would like to read it.
Calm/Limbic is the Big Five label for low or high preferences in Neuroticism. Those who are Calm are lower, while those who are Limbic are higher.
1) E8 is not just about conflict
2) I'm not non-confrontational in the sense of avoiding conflict to keep the peace
3) admittedly, looking at me and my motivations/actions in day-to-day, my gut influence is pretty weak
About being non-confrontational, it's more that I'm very selective. Compared to some people who confront on every little thing, I'm more capable of letting things slide if it's not actually something important (though this is learned behaviour). So compared to the average INTJ, I am pretty non-confrontational/easygoing (which is what made me consider INFJ).
It is said that E8 can't measure their strength- it's true. Once I come out I'm very candid and if the person I'm talking to is sensitive, I'll accidentally push them too hard. It results in way more broken pieces that I'm willing to pick up after the ordeal. I really hate dealing with that, so I'd rather not. Sometimes what is regular discussion to me can be perceived as an attack by a more sensitive person, even if I was just speaking as-is / am just wanting to solve something. I guess this can point against F for me in dichotomies because I'm usually pretty blind to the emotional impact of what I say / do.
I'm presuming your 8 would be 8w9? There's also the position in the tritype, too. Since it is less preferred, I could see how it would have at least a somewhat minimal influence. That makes sense.
Ahh. I generally don't relate to the profile / descriptions as a whole, but I particularly did not relate to that. It's what makes me struggle to type as an F/NF/Idealist.
People note that there is an apparent gentleness to my presence/approach, and generally can't tell my T/F, especially online. While people naturally gravitate to me for that gentleness, it's more that they come to me rather than I go reach out and console them. It doesn't help that I'm actually a very dry / detached person, which is much more apparent in real life. This part does confuse me because it isn't INTJ-like at all, however, those who know me note I am detached/objective/unemotional, and I barely make emotional appeals (doesn't mean I can't, but it's barely laced with real emotion). I also place more focus in actually solving the problem than making them feel better, the latter is icky and I end up not knowing what to do.
About the artistic comments, I do work as an artist, and have artistic interests.
Generally speaking, I (and others) have had the most confusion with T/F for me. Maybe dichotomy wise, I'm a really nice T/F balanced INTJ, if that makes sense?
Also, strong Ts tend to see me as F, and strong Fs tend to see me as T.
So, your gentleness comes from being approachable, not from being overly soft or "fluffy". It's possible for an INTJ to be mild mannered and approachable in the way you describe. Your emphasis on being dry/detached and on solving problems over comfort are solid T traits.
Artistic interests are primarily the purveyor of being an N (although there are some S artists), and while there is also a slight predisposition for Fs to pursue the arts, it's not as though NFs have a monopoly over artists.
Thank you for the observations & time with this.
My pleasure.