Shiver
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Let's try this again, I suppose. First thread didn't seem to want to go through for whatever reason - is there some sort of new thread validation process for new members or something? Or maybe I'm just unlucky. Ugh. Anyway, if anyone takes the time to read this, you're free to offer opinions from any system (MBTI, socionics, enneagram), but I'd prefer a little thought behind whatever type you go with as it should be interesting to read. I've posted these on more than one forum but thought I'd see what kind of responses this one gives.
Questionnaire
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Questionnaire
1. What is work in your opinion? Why do people go to work? Are there any parameters where you can distinguish whether you can do this work or not?
I differentiate "work" from "labor". People go to work to collect a paycheck so that they are able to get by in society. If I think of something as work, it's not intrinsically rewarding to me, unlike labor.
What I think of as labor is probably closer to what was being asked about - physical or mental action performed to achieve a desired productive result. If I went to work on a family farm and spent my time building fences, moving and sorting cattle, or even taking inventory of supplies, I'd probably say I'm laboring (although I'm sure some would say the latter task is less labor intensive than others). I'd be doing something with a noticeable impact - something I can see the results of at the end of the day - something that isn't only putting food on my table, but is in part helping to secure a stable and productive future. Key also is that I don't overall dislike these sorts of tasks and that even when a task gets more difficult, perseverance is something to feel satisfaction in.
For the most part, work and labor are used fair interchangeably. The key point to me is that labor should, as mentioned above, be on some level intrinsically rewarding for a person. I'd never considered myself doing labor at many jobs I've held because it was, in the end, work - a necessary task that's mostly drudgery and not intrinsically rewarding in the slightest. I usually didn't enjoy jobs that I considered "work" and most of my efforts seemed to be completely lost to a void at the end of the day.
Ever tried corporate retail? With regards to the question, "Can you waste time?" near the bottom of this questionnaire, that would definitely qualify. Toughing it out in those circumstances isn't intrinsically rewarding to me with results towards a greater end, it's dumping time and energy down a hole to make faceless people richer and to allow entitled, rude people to continue their utterly hollow lives while propping up a parasitic system.
2. How do people determine the quality of work? How do you determine such quality? How well you can determine the quality of any purchase, do you pay any attention to it?
When I commissioned a suit of plate armor, I needed to provide specific measurements and reference material for the craftsman to produce a high quality product that would fit, move, and look excellent. Compare this to plate one might purchase from some random store on eBay - the fit is probably off, the articulation (if applicable) is likely not as smooth or in accordance with human anatomy, and I'd expect it to look like nothing seen in history.
In this case I'd determine quality as being in accordance with what I expected in terms of form and function. I'd expect it to cost accordingly. I apply the same sort of thinking to a car, my clothes, the parts of my PC - most anything. And I can make reasonable expectations by brand reputation. A pair of Armani high-heeled leather boots are probably going to fit me better and last longer than the $20 equivalent purchased at Walmart.
3. There is a professional right next to you. You always see that you can't perform the way they do. Your feelings, thoughts and actions?
I can't say I've ever felt inadequate. Performing well in whatever I put my mind to comes naturally, else it's probably not something I care about anyway. I don't particularly envy anyone able to woo a crowd or persuade someone with emotion, for example. It has its own value but that's for other people, not me.
4. If you struggle to do something, what can you say about such a task? Tell us your next steps and give examples. Compare with actions of others in a similar situation.
Does it count to say that I'm having difficulty thinking of anything that I've struggled with but that I wanted to do? This isn't familiar to me in a professional atmosphere.
The main things I struggle with are acting against my own internal principles, showing weakness, and empathizing with people I see as deserving of their plight. Regarding the first, I typically don't deal well with arguments from authority. For example, I'll often challenge and debate with staff on most of the forums I'm on because I hold them to the same argumentative standards as I would anyone else. This has resulted in me leaving or being banned from some forums.
I suppose it might be said I struggle with the task of conforming, also. There aren't any "next steps", though - I just don't participate. Lots of people like to fit in by getting drunk/high and acting stupid at parties. I just don't show up to begin with.
5. You need to build a pyramid exactly like in Egypt. Your thoughts, feelings and actions?
Cool, are there any particular limitations? It's been said that we have trouble doing such a thing with modern technology but I take that to mean that someone screwed up, haha. I'd begin by researching all that I can on how it was done historically and follow it as much as possible to the letter while substituting modern technology where possible (I assume there would be some sort of objection to people doing the physical portion as it was historically; laaame). Having a team of experts would be essential. I suppose proper funding, too. I don't know that I have any feelings on it other than that it would probably be a fun project.
I differentiate "work" from "labor". People go to work to collect a paycheck so that they are able to get by in society. If I think of something as work, it's not intrinsically rewarding to me, unlike labor.
What I think of as labor is probably closer to what was being asked about - physical or mental action performed to achieve a desired productive result. If I went to work on a family farm and spent my time building fences, moving and sorting cattle, or even taking inventory of supplies, I'd probably say I'm laboring (although I'm sure some would say the latter task is less labor intensive than others). I'd be doing something with a noticeable impact - something I can see the results of at the end of the day - something that isn't only putting food on my table, but is in part helping to secure a stable and productive future. Key also is that I don't overall dislike these sorts of tasks and that even when a task gets more difficult, perseverance is something to feel satisfaction in.
For the most part, work and labor are used fair interchangeably. The key point to me is that labor should, as mentioned above, be on some level intrinsically rewarding for a person. I'd never considered myself doing labor at many jobs I've held because it was, in the end, work - a necessary task that's mostly drudgery and not intrinsically rewarding in the slightest. I usually didn't enjoy jobs that I considered "work" and most of my efforts seemed to be completely lost to a void at the end of the day.
Ever tried corporate retail? With regards to the question, "Can you waste time?" near the bottom of this questionnaire, that would definitely qualify. Toughing it out in those circumstances isn't intrinsically rewarding to me with results towards a greater end, it's dumping time and energy down a hole to make faceless people richer and to allow entitled, rude people to continue their utterly hollow lives while propping up a parasitic system.
2. How do people determine the quality of work? How do you determine such quality? How well you can determine the quality of any purchase, do you pay any attention to it?
When I commissioned a suit of plate armor, I needed to provide specific measurements and reference material for the craftsman to produce a high quality product that would fit, move, and look excellent. Compare this to plate one might purchase from some random store on eBay - the fit is probably off, the articulation (if applicable) is likely not as smooth or in accordance with human anatomy, and I'd expect it to look like nothing seen in history.
In this case I'd determine quality as being in accordance with what I expected in terms of form and function. I'd expect it to cost accordingly. I apply the same sort of thinking to a car, my clothes, the parts of my PC - most anything. And I can make reasonable expectations by brand reputation. A pair of Armani high-heeled leather boots are probably going to fit me better and last longer than the $20 equivalent purchased at Walmart.
3. There is a professional right next to you. You always see that you can't perform the way they do. Your feelings, thoughts and actions?
I can't say I've ever felt inadequate. Performing well in whatever I put my mind to comes naturally, else it's probably not something I care about anyway. I don't particularly envy anyone able to woo a crowd or persuade someone with emotion, for example. It has its own value but that's for other people, not me.
4. If you struggle to do something, what can you say about such a task? Tell us your next steps and give examples. Compare with actions of others in a similar situation.
Does it count to say that I'm having difficulty thinking of anything that I've struggled with but that I wanted to do? This isn't familiar to me in a professional atmosphere.
The main things I struggle with are acting against my own internal principles, showing weakness, and empathizing with people I see as deserving of their plight. Regarding the first, I typically don't deal well with arguments from authority. For example, I'll often challenge and debate with staff on most of the forums I'm on because I hold them to the same argumentative standards as I would anyone else. This has resulted in me leaving or being banned from some forums.
I suppose it might be said I struggle with the task of conforming, also. There aren't any "next steps", though - I just don't participate. Lots of people like to fit in by getting drunk/high and acting stupid at parties. I just don't show up to begin with.
5. You need to build a pyramid exactly like in Egypt. Your thoughts, feelings and actions?
Cool, are there any particular limitations? It's been said that we have trouble doing such a thing with modern technology but I take that to mean that someone screwed up, haha. I'd begin by researching all that I can on how it was done historically and follow it as much as possible to the letter while substituting modern technology where possible (I assume there would be some sort of objection to people doing the physical portion as it was historically; laaame). Having a team of experts would be essential. I suppose proper funding, too. I don't know that I have any feelings on it other than that it would probably be a fun project.
1. General to specific, specific to general – what does it mean? Give examples.
General is a broad statement to encompass the majority, the norm, or what one can most often expect. Exceptions are expected to exist from this. Specific refers to a narrowed subset or singular example.
Birds generally fly. Specifically, hawks fly; specifically, the hawk outside of my window flies.
Cats generally do not fly. Specifically, my cat does not fly. Have you ever seen a flying cat? No you haven't, you dirty liar.
2. What does "logical" mean? What is your understanding? Do you think that it correlates with the common view? Is it is easy for you to be logical?
I'd simply consider "logical" to be in accordance with the rules of formal logic, if we're differentiating it from "reasonable". In every day conversation, they're practically used as synonyms and I understand them as such. However I do think it is an important to discern between a logical choice and a reasonable one because strict logic may not always be suitable for reality due to subjective - yet important - factors. I find it easy to think in terms of logic but more effective to act by possibly divergent but suitable reason.
3. What is hierarchy? Give examples of hierarchies. Do you need to follow it? Why or why not? Give example of hierarchy of systems, what is it?
I differentiate between a hierarchy of a structural system (Maslow's, the court system, etc.) and a social hierarchy. The former I find useful and the natural result of a functioning system, but the latter I find typically extant only to represent the ambitions of the few.
Regardless of its truth in reality, Maslow's hierarchy of needs has practicality for how it is arranged (A must be fulfilled for B to be fulfilled, and so on). A court hierarchy allows for cases to be settled or passed on according to importance and appeals. Social hierarchy is often purely artificial and I pay it very little mind. Money, career, and popularity make little to no difference to me and I don't treat people better or worse because of those factors.
4. Choose one of the following tasks and give a detailed answer. Explain your choice.
If A is not B, and B is not C, therefore A is C. Is it correct? Why?
Not necessarily. This only tells us that B isn't the same as A or C; it doesn't let us know if A and C are the same.
5. Do you frequently feel the need to structure information? For what purpose? How do people usually do it? How do you do it?
I might structure things in spreadsheets or lists for easier tracking but in my mind I may tend to put things more in clusters of vaguely similar traits. I might say that I know a "sort" of person based on similarly expressed behaviors but don't categorize them strictly based on those things. I often find myself determining causes and predicting future events from which traits interconnect in those clusters.
For example, I met a person on an internet forum who in my mind immediately lit up the idea of the sort of person who is a social climber and hungry for position and influence. I predicted years in advance that he would be aiming for a staff administrative position and that his behavior was deliberately towards those ends. People called me paranoid, naturally, but after I left the forum I watched it play out as I'd said all the same.
As an analogy, consider traits as colored lights on the surface of a situation which are lit up according to activated sensors placed in the situation's hidden "essence". Information in this case in my mind is structured linking lights to causes, imagery, and the flow of trends.
General is a broad statement to encompass the majority, the norm, or what one can most often expect. Exceptions are expected to exist from this. Specific refers to a narrowed subset or singular example.
Birds generally fly. Specifically, hawks fly; specifically, the hawk outside of my window flies.
Cats generally do not fly. Specifically, my cat does not fly. Have you ever seen a flying cat? No you haven't, you dirty liar.
2. What does "logical" mean? What is your understanding? Do you think that it correlates with the common view? Is it is easy for you to be logical?
I'd simply consider "logical" to be in accordance with the rules of formal logic, if we're differentiating it from "reasonable". In every day conversation, they're practically used as synonyms and I understand them as such. However I do think it is an important to discern between a logical choice and a reasonable one because strict logic may not always be suitable for reality due to subjective - yet important - factors. I find it easy to think in terms of logic but more effective to act by possibly divergent but suitable reason.
3. What is hierarchy? Give examples of hierarchies. Do you need to follow it? Why or why not? Give example of hierarchy of systems, what is it?
I differentiate between a hierarchy of a structural system (Maslow's, the court system, etc.) and a social hierarchy. The former I find useful and the natural result of a functioning system, but the latter I find typically extant only to represent the ambitions of the few.
Regardless of its truth in reality, Maslow's hierarchy of needs has practicality for how it is arranged (A must be fulfilled for B to be fulfilled, and so on). A court hierarchy allows for cases to be settled or passed on according to importance and appeals. Social hierarchy is often purely artificial and I pay it very little mind. Money, career, and popularity make little to no difference to me and I don't treat people better or worse because of those factors.
4. Choose one of the following tasks and give a detailed answer. Explain your choice.
If A is not B, and B is not C, therefore A is C. Is it correct? Why?
Not necessarily. This only tells us that B isn't the same as A or C; it doesn't let us know if A and C are the same.
5. Do you frequently feel the need to structure information? For what purpose? How do people usually do it? How do you do it?
I might structure things in spreadsheets or lists for easier tracking but in my mind I may tend to put things more in clusters of vaguely similar traits. I might say that I know a "sort" of person based on similarly expressed behaviors but don't categorize them strictly based on those things. I often find myself determining causes and predicting future events from which traits interconnect in those clusters.
For example, I met a person on an internet forum who in my mind immediately lit up the idea of the sort of person who is a social climber and hungry for position and influence. I predicted years in advance that he would be aiming for a staff administrative position and that his behavior was deliberately towards those ends. People called me paranoid, naturally, but after I left the forum I watched it play out as I'd said all the same.
As an analogy, consider traits as colored lights on the surface of a situation which are lit up according to activated sensors placed in the situation's hidden "essence". Information in this case in my mind is structured linking lights to causes, imagery, and the flow of trends.
1. Can you press people? What methods do you use? If so, how does it happen?
A compactor, usually.
Oh, you mean that. I generally don't press people unless it's hostile or out of impatience. In a real time argument I like to create a sense of urgency by giving quick and firm demands for a statement so that a person is more likely to cave or make themselves vulnerable. If I'm impatient I might do something as simple as tapping my fingers or do some other gesture to give the sense of shortening time, or might outright comment on the time.
I typically don't press people in any other way unless it's through implied blackmail as I'm generally not confrontational in person.
2. Are there strategies of attack? Can you use them? When is it justified? Do you think it's ok to occupy someone else's territory? In what situations?
Verbally, I'll likely wait for a specific opening to attack what I see as a character flaw or some fault in action, or I'll do so in response to what I see as aggression aimed at me. I'm quite good at insisting on a specific fault and drilling down on it, but don't do this with people I like for obvious reasons.
I'm against even bothering with territory unless it's expected as part of a sport or game and tend to respond negatively if someone makes that sort of attempt on me otherwise, even in "abstract territory". I think it would be easy to see if someone were trying to occupy my social position or something, but this isn't really an area of concern for me.
If we're talking physical territory, touch me if you're tired of that hand working like it's supposed to.
3. How do you protect yourself and your interests?
I'm pretty secretive and physically well defended, for the most part. My interests aren't really anything that someone could intrude on or take from me, but if they were I suppose I'd just send a message to the intruding party in the form of an "offer they can't refuse".
4. Describe your behavior in the situations of opposition and if you have to use some force?
Usually I'll look for some means of reason to avoid any confrontation, or an erosion of the opposition's will through those means. My mom got rid of some of my games when I was a kid because she didn't think it was proper that I was playing them. I tried reason, but she's never been receptive to that. Knowing her emotional temperament, I simply refused to acknowledge her as my mother until she was too distraught to continue with it.
If that's not an option, it's usually a self-feeding loop of anger with determination to "win" at any cost. It's something of a combination of "who do they think they are?" and "they brought this on themselves".
5. Do others think of you as a strong person? Do you think you are a strong person?
I've been told by the very few people closer to me that they think I'm attractive for that quality, but with other people, I have no idea. I don't consider my will something breakable.
A compactor, usually.
Oh, you mean that. I generally don't press people unless it's hostile or out of impatience. In a real time argument I like to create a sense of urgency by giving quick and firm demands for a statement so that a person is more likely to cave or make themselves vulnerable. If I'm impatient I might do something as simple as tapping my fingers or do some other gesture to give the sense of shortening time, or might outright comment on the time.
I typically don't press people in any other way unless it's through implied blackmail as I'm generally not confrontational in person.
2. Are there strategies of attack? Can you use them? When is it justified? Do you think it's ok to occupy someone else's territory? In what situations?
Verbally, I'll likely wait for a specific opening to attack what I see as a character flaw or some fault in action, or I'll do so in response to what I see as aggression aimed at me. I'm quite good at insisting on a specific fault and drilling down on it, but don't do this with people I like for obvious reasons.
I'm against even bothering with territory unless it's expected as part of a sport or game and tend to respond negatively if someone makes that sort of attempt on me otherwise, even in "abstract territory". I think it would be easy to see if someone were trying to occupy my social position or something, but this isn't really an area of concern for me.
If we're talking physical territory, touch me if you're tired of that hand working like it's supposed to.
3. How do you protect yourself and your interests?
I'm pretty secretive and physically well defended, for the most part. My interests aren't really anything that someone could intrude on or take from me, but if they were I suppose I'd just send a message to the intruding party in the form of an "offer they can't refuse".
4. Describe your behavior in the situations of opposition and if you have to use some force?
Usually I'll look for some means of reason to avoid any confrontation, or an erosion of the opposition's will through those means. My mom got rid of some of my games when I was a kid because she didn't think it was proper that I was playing them. I tried reason, but she's never been receptive to that. Knowing her emotional temperament, I simply refused to acknowledge her as my mother until she was too distraught to continue with it.
If that's not an option, it's usually a self-feeding loop of anger with determination to "win" at any cost. It's something of a combination of "who do they think they are?" and "they brought this on themselves".
5. Do others think of you as a strong person? Do you think you are a strong person?
I've been told by the very few people closer to me that they think I'm attractive for that quality, but with other people, I have no idea. I don't consider my will something breakable.
1. What is beauty? Do you change your opinion about beauty? Does your understanding correlate with the generally accepted notion? What goes beyond the generally accepted notion?
Whichever qualities of a person or thing which please my senses and agree with my subjective desires and ideals. I'm sure the perception and level of appreciation for those qualities evolves over time but it's never a sudden shift for me. I think my understanding of what beauty is correlates but of course everyone's preferences will differ. I don't know how many other people can consider an abstract property of a person or thing to be beautiful, but I do.
2. Is there a template of understanding what beautiful means for everyone to use? Is there such a term as "classic beauty"? If so, what is it?
I'm sure the template is probably a combination of how humans are "hard wired" and what their local culture/experiences inevitably create for them. "Classic beauty", I should think, would fall into the realm of the former. Take people from varying eras and cultures and find out what they all agree on - this is probably it.
3. How do you create your comfort and coziness? How do others evaluate your skill in doing so? Do you agree with them?
A good place to lay or sit, the right temperature, and maybe a blanket or some food. Bonus if there is severe weather outside. Others probably evaluate my skill in creating thunderstorms as not so good and I likely agree as I never did get to visit Hogwarts.
4. How do you pick your own clothes? Do you follow fashion? Why? Do you know how to select clothes for different types of figures?
I prefer clothes that flatter my figure and are mostly of darker colors. I mostly buy individual pieces that I think would fit my general style and so most of my own outfits have the same sort of "feel" to them, despite when they differ in actual appearance. I'm not really in the habit of picking out clothes for other people but know what looks good on certain body types.
5. Tell us how you'd design any room, house or an office. Do you do it yourself or trust someone else to do it? Why?
Since most places I go to aren't designed by me, I suppose I have to trust someone else, no? That said, I definitely like to design rooms and entire structures (that's half of the fun of The Sims to me) and will usually feel compelled to re-organize a space I frequent so that it agrees with my habits more.
Whichever qualities of a person or thing which please my senses and agree with my subjective desires and ideals. I'm sure the perception and level of appreciation for those qualities evolves over time but it's never a sudden shift for me. I think my understanding of what beauty is correlates but of course everyone's preferences will differ. I don't know how many other people can consider an abstract property of a person or thing to be beautiful, but I do.
2. Is there a template of understanding what beautiful means for everyone to use? Is there such a term as "classic beauty"? If so, what is it?
I'm sure the template is probably a combination of how humans are "hard wired" and what their local culture/experiences inevitably create for them. "Classic beauty", I should think, would fall into the realm of the former. Take people from varying eras and cultures and find out what they all agree on - this is probably it.
3. How do you create your comfort and coziness? How do others evaluate your skill in doing so? Do you agree with them?
A good place to lay or sit, the right temperature, and maybe a blanket or some food. Bonus if there is severe weather outside. Others probably evaluate my skill in creating thunderstorms as not so good and I likely agree as I never did get to visit Hogwarts.
4. How do you pick your own clothes? Do you follow fashion? Why? Do you know how to select clothes for different types of figures?
I prefer clothes that flatter my figure and are mostly of darker colors. I mostly buy individual pieces that I think would fit my general style and so most of my own outfits have the same sort of "feel" to them, despite when they differ in actual appearance. I'm not really in the habit of picking out clothes for other people but know what looks good on certain body types.
5. Tell us how you'd design any room, house or an office. Do you do it yourself or trust someone else to do it? Why?
Since most places I go to aren't designed by me, I suppose I have to trust someone else, no? That said, I definitely like to design rooms and entire structures (that's half of the fun of The Sims to me) and will usually feel compelled to re-organize a space I frequent so that it agrees with my habits more.
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