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intp, estj, istj, or something else?

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I've taken mbti for a while now and essentially have gotten every introverted type under the sun, but also estj and entp as well from time to time (albeit not often). Whenever I take a test, the type I get most often is INTJ which I don't think I am because I absolutely do not identify with Se in any manner. From there the second types I get most is a mix of INFJ/IxTP/ISTJ and the rest. Personally from my own assessment of cognitive functions, I believe I use Te, Ti, Ne, maybe Fe, and some Si. If I had to prioritise them, it would be Si > Te/Ti > Ne > Fe. Now I've made typing threads before, no one seems to agree what type I am. On one forum it's ISTJ, another it's INTP, another it's ISFP, INFJ, or whatever, and all forums have convincing arguments and while they do sound convincing, it doesn't add up with my assessment of my functions in addition to test results I get such as this. Also with ISTJ, INTP, INTJ (the three types I'm most suggested as), neither of them in particular "click" with me like I think a true fitting type would. I'm also 5w4 enneagram (I think) if that helps.

I'll answer some questions:



Seg 2



third questionnaire

 
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For now I think ISTJ with INTP less likely, but I have to conclude my analysis.
I'll probably be back tomorrow with a decent analysis.
 

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For now I think ISTJ with INTP less likely, but I have to conclude my analysis.
I'll probably be back tomorrow with a decent analysis.

stay tuned folks!

For now I think ISTJ with INTP less likely, but I have to conclude my analysis.
I'll probably be back tomorrow with a decent analysis.

did you come up with an analysis?
 
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I would have to second ISTJ from what I gathered. The Si is apparent, Te is there as well.

This questionnaire is optional, but if you want to fill it out to be more confident in the typing, have at it.
 

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I would have to second ISTJ from what I gathered. The Si is apparent, Te is there as well.

This questionnaire is optional, but if you want to fill it out to be more confident in the typing, have at it.

ok, I'll have a jab at it. I'll add it to OP too. However I'd like to ask why you say ISTJ. I've had people give me convincing cases as to why I'm an INTJ or INTP in addition to xSTJ and others so I'd want to dissect why you think this is so

1. During your youth (7'ish to 18), What did you focus on the most? What activities did you like and why? What aspect of life was lax in attention?

7~13 I'd say I was very apathetic and really sulked in my emotions. I didn't fit in well with people as I was very reserved and lacked any motivation to do anything in school so I didn't make good marks and did a lot of nothing to say the least. When I found something to be motivated by when I was about 15~18+ I became a lot more motivated by my marks and had laser focus on it. Besides that now I like linguistics, anthropology, and to a lesser extent learning about genetics. I'm pretty much an anorak as I like learning about new facts of different subjects.

2. You're in you senior year of high school (or whatever equivalent) and you are looking back over the last couple of years. What was your favorite aspect of the schooling experience and why? Favorite subject and why?

The best part was showing off in classes I excelled in, like my maths and English. It was a pleasant feeling being able to understand things relatively quickly and not needing the teacher to hog you like they do the other students in addition to getting good marks. Favourte subjects would include history, maths, and English (sans writing, wasn't a fan of that). Other than that school was a waste of my time, honestly.

3. A couple of friends call and invite you out to a restaurant. While there, you all are pleasantly conversing and one of your friends makes a comment that irked you. What are you're thoughts and how do you respond?

I'd question him depending on two things: a) if I'm curious why he said that or b) if it annoyed me that much. Generally neither happen much for the following explained reasons: a) I can generally tell why people say certain things when taking into account their personality, and b) if I'm eating, I want to be relaxed, and I don't want to unsettle my environment over a frivolous comment so I'll ignore like I would in almost any case unless the comment was that interesting.

4. Your schooling is done and it's time to strike out into the world!! What sort of career do you want to go into and why?

I want to be an ESL teacher so I can travel and transition into being a translator/interpreter of some sorts. I want to travel the world and being any of the three affords me the opportunity to do so while making money, something that almost no other career can do in almost every part of the world. I'm also interested in languages but I'm also very intrigued by how this job does not tie me down to one place.

5. A friend is getting married and they put you in charge of the cake. You narrowed it down to two places to make an order. The first is a bakery with whom you got a good relationship with. The other is a well-known cake maker to whom everyone goes to (your friend hints to it as well). Which one do you choose and why?

I'm the type of person who likes surprises and to try new things often but most people I encounter don't, so if my mate wasn't one of those people I'd just go to the bakery that my mate is familiar with. So at the very least if I get him a cake from there I can use the excuse "well everyone likes that bakery, even you!"

If he was like I was and truly trusted my odd tastes, I'd get him something at the bakery I'm acquainted with. Getting him the cake here would mean a lot more to me, personally as it allows me to truly express the openness of our relationship as opposed to going with cliche standards.

6. You get into an argument with a friend/family member/co-worker. They criticize one of your personality traits. What would most likely be the focus of their critique?

I'd ask them why they say that, and depending on whether or not it's actually true I'll take it into account, asking myself "is this something I'd actually do?" and referencing the patterns of my actions and also past experiences. I'd ask them out of curiosity as opposed to anger/irritation most of the time unless it was really off the wall.

7. It's New Years! You and your friends are out and about after a party. Being drunk, one of your friends suggests to do something....'questionable' (Nothing serious. I.e, drugs, escort, etc.). What are your thoughts and how do you respond?

well first, I wouldn't be drunk as I don't drink, but I'll entertain this game of charades and pretend in some alternative universe that I willingly drank some mythical version of alcohol that didn't taste like rubbing alcohol and got drunk off of it. Unless I was totally drunk (which I don't know what that feels like), I'd probably say no to whatever it was, presuming it's something sexual like a bj or whatever.

8. A new art gallery opens up and your friend wants to go to the grand opening. Both of you analyze all the paintings and sculptures. What about these works warrants the most attention from you? Why?

I'd take a quick look at it and move on very quickly unless there was something that caught my eye. It can be nicely painted/sculpted sure but something has to really stick out to me, whether it be intricate or blatant.

9. You have been saving up and decide to buy a new car. At the dealership, you peruse the lots. What are the criteria and factors that influence your choice? Which one would initially be your main focus?

how old the car is, its pitfalls after getting it inspected before I buy it, how well it works, how well it will last. The look of the car is somewhat important but in general I can't be assed to care if it's a "nice" looking car by modern standards so I'm fine with getting some raggedy looking van if it works.

10. Where would you like to see yourself in five years? Why?

Out of uni, teaching ESL in whatever country I pick, then transitioning into a translator and learning how to invest along the way
 

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You seem more of a thinker but that is obvious, so XXTX. In your first questionnaire your Te barks at me (focus on actual management over actual analysis), leads me to XXTJ. Only you can determine your dom function, I can only say what your type is according to how I see it. I found this source a few day ago, and I find it illustrates the functions well. Can you look and say which one is your closest perspective (Think: "Which is my main focus"). Function Similarities Back to topic. you seem to have more of the Si/Ne axis than Ni/Se. I picked ISTJ over INTJ because I saw lower Ne (the distaste of innovation and change for it's own sake). ESTJ is probable as well (I'm actually leaning toward this now).

Here is an example of the Si I saw...
Organised to convenience. I like stuff in a place where I know it is for easier access in addition to my room being clean--particularly my bed made every day--for aesthetics as it's more calming. Mess unsettles me.

Both Si and Se care about aesthetics, but Si cares about the subjective impression that the world emits than the world itself. The above is a mix of Si+Te. You like the order and cleanliness because it brings to you a subjective feeling of "calmness".

Again, It all depends what your dominant function is. If the aforementioned link doesn't quite help, I made a thread about the functions a couple day ago. Functions
 

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You seem more of a thinker but that is obvious, so XXTX. In your first questionnaire your Te barks at me (focus on actual management over actual analysis), leads me to XXTJ. Only you can determine your dom function, I can only say what your type is according to how I see it. I found this source a few day ago, and I find it illustrates the functions well. Can you look and say which one is your closest perspective (Think: "Which is my main focus"). Function Similarities Back to topic. you seem to have more of the Si/Ne axis than Ni/Se. I picked ISTJ over INTJ because I saw lower Ne (the distaste of innovation and change for it's own sake). ESTJ is probable as well (I'm actually leaning toward this now).

Here is an example of the Si I saw...
Organised to convenience. I like stuff in a place where I know it is for easier access in addition to my room being clean--particularly my bed made every day--for aesthetics as it's more calming. Mess unsettles me.

Both Si and Se care about aesthetics, but Si cares about the subjective impression that the world emits than the world itself. The above is a mix of Si+Te. You like the order and cleanliness because it brings to you a subjective feeling of "calmness".

Again, It all depends what your dominant function is. If the aforementioned link doesn't quite help, I made a thread about the functions a couple day ago. Functions

I don't think I use Fi and not sure why I score very high in it. I recognise some questions on test that hint at Fi such as 'i am very sure of what to do in my life/i make decisions that align with that i believe in' which I mean, I do, but it's not very concrete beliefs I centre those decisions on. I'm very flexible and thought and pretty much don't leave anything concrete; it's always open to suggestions and can change on the flip of a dime by a good argument, even if it's not elaborate. I'm also very amoral and couldn't care less about what is "right" to me, I just care about how it will affect as opposed to how it aligns with my current beliefs.

Si, I do think I use this to certain extent, but I'm not very kinesthetic like you seem to think I am. The only impression of Si I have is through memory, such as memorising things. If I was making something I would remember the impressions of how I made it. Years ago I would compare my memory to a "library" where I could remember things verbatim, now I have to filter it by asking myself questions such as "would I do this?" to remember. As an analogy, I would remember direct website links, but now I have to use a history search engine to find what I'm looking for, which sounds like Ti than Si, imo. The memory bit I associated with Si is a lot less palpable than it was years ago as memories and in general sensations aren't intense at all anymore.

Ti sounds a lot like me as I judge things approximately to the said models and principles and it's generally almost always relative to those things as opposed to my experiences.

Ni I think I use to varying extents, typically with reading between the lines of what people say and how it registers in my mind.

Se, I'm not one of those 'in the moment' people. There's always some jet lag where I have to process what I'm consuming, mentally and physically.

Te, I do like getting things done and I care about efficiency, but I don't always like to walk on the heads of other people either to do so (I guess if they wouldn't notice it wouldn't be a problem). I care very much about my external environment and become unsettled even more than clutter in my spaces when there's disarray with people in my environment, especially people I'm close with. I'm fairly considerate of what they want and what others want and I try to accommodate them on it in relativity to what I want as much as possible as I like to keep a balance, but in general I like doing what I feel like needs to be done above all.

Ne, I think I do use a lot as I'd compare my mind to like a pandora's box of ideas that may or may not be related to whatever I'm thinking. I often times find it hard to consistently follow a tangent as it's a bit too consistent for me to follow. I generally follow stuff haphazardly as opposed in one single line of logic.

I think I explained Fe with my Te explanation in the latter half

The functions I identify with most via that thread were Ti, Ne, Fe, and Te. If I had to order it it would be Ti/Te > Ne > Fe > Si/Ni > Fi > Se
 

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I don't think I use Fi and not sure why I score very high in it. I recognise some questions on test that hint at Fi such as 'i am very sure of what to do in my life/i make decisions that align with that i believe in' which I mean, I do, but it's not very concrete beliefs I centre those decisions on. I'm very flexible and thought and pretty much don't leave anything concrete; it's always open to suggestions and can change on the flip of a dime by a good argument, even if it's not elaborate. I'm also very amoral and couldn't care less about what is "right" to me, I just care about how it will affect as opposed to how it aligns with my current beliefs.

Si, I do think I use this to certain extent, but I'm not very kinesthetic like you seem to think I am. The only impression of Si I have is through memory, such as memorising things. If I was making something I would remember the impressions of how I made it. Years ago I would compare my memory to a "library" where I could remember things verbatim, now I have to filter it by asking myself questions such as "would I do this?" to remember. As an analogy, I would remember direct website links, but now I have to use a history search engine to find what I'm looking for, which sounds like Ti than Si, imo. The memory bit I associated with Si is a lot less palpable than it was years ago as memories and in general sensations aren't intense at all anymore.

Ti sounds a lot like me as I judge things approximately to the said models and principles and it's generally almost always relative to those things as opposed to my experiences.

Ni I think I use to varying extents, typically with reading between the lines of what people say and how it registers in my mind.

Se, I'm not one of those 'in the moment' people. There's always some jet lag where I have to process what I'm consuming, mentally and physically.

Te, I do like getting things done and I care about efficiency, but I don't always like to walk on the heads of other people either to do so (I guess if they wouldn't notice it wouldn't be a problem). I care very much about my external environment and become unsettled even more than clutter in my spaces when there's disarray with people in my environment, especially people I'm close with. I'm fairly considerate of what they want and what others want and I try to accommodate them on it in relativity to what I want as much as possible as I like to keep a balance, but in general I like doing what I feel like needs to be done above all.

Ne, I think I do use a lot as I'd compare my mind to like a pandora's box of ideas that may or may not be related to whatever I'm thinking. I often times find it hard to consistently follow a tangent as it's a bit too consistent for me to follow. I generally follow stuff haphazardly as opposed in one single line of logic.

I think I explained Fe with my Te explanation in the latter half

The functions I identify with most via that thread were Ti, Ne, Fe, and Te. If I had to order it it would be Ti/Te > Ne > Fe > Si/Ni > Fi > Se

From what you provided, either ESTJ or INTP.

Which of the statements sounds more like you?

A: "I strive to get things done. If it doesn't yield objective results, it's not of prominent concern. As consequence, I occasionally put my personal convictions behind me for the sake of results and duty. I may come across as controlling."

B: "My focus is putting everything into my own logical understanding. What makes the most sense to me is the best guide. However, I do sometimes forget to take the values of others into consideration. I may come across as cold"
 

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From what you provided, either ESTJ or INTP.

Which of the statements sounds more like you?

A: "I strive to get things done. If it doesn't yield objective results, it's not of prominent concern. As consequence, I occasionally put my personal convictions behind me for the sake of results and duty. I may come across as controlling."

B: "My focus is putting everything into my own logical understanding. What makes the most sense to me is the best guide. However, I do sometimes forget to take the values of others into consideration. I may come across as cold"

Neither really, honestly.

a) I like getting things done when i personally invest my time in them (pretty much exclusive to dreams i have of mine), but in general it is not my MO to "get objective results" or make things work efficiently all the time. In fact I'm a lot more deliberate and like to think about the process first before I dive in although sometimes I am very impatient and I just go with a premade model that may be very convoluted in the end but gets the job done.

b) I suppose this is true to a certain extent, and I very much to agree with the line that I tend to go with "what makes most sense to me" as a guide for myself, but I think I'm fairly considerate of others feelings, especially when interacting with them. I do so more out of habit as opposed to true empathy for others unless it's a particular group of people I care about like close friends or some relatives

I do like getting things done, and I am most focused on how to get things done that I'm very keen of (i.e. dreams). However I'm not a manager type where that's all I'm concerned about is getting things done in most or every aspect of my life and others; it's simply with myself and myself only as I loathe micromanaging people and prefer people develop their own competence (or I can help them if they show some sort of effort to become competent) and do things on their own. I'm focused on myself for the most part and that's that, but when interacting with people I'm very keen on keeping the peace and will act accordingly to do so, so I'm very perceptive of what people want and will generally try to meet their needs unless it's totally unnecessary. I will say that in my own personal space I would put my own objectives over someone's feelings because it is a personal decision, though. I do like thinking things through and I trust most what makes sense to me internally, but it's not necessarily my objective to understand everything in the world. I find it too time consuming.
 

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Oh. I wasn't necessarily saying that Te wanted to micromanage (though you see it sometimes). Te main focus is just achieving objective logical results. It wants everything to be standardized (money, time, cost, etc). As for Ti, it pretty much just analyzes. It doesn't really care about any standard as long as everything is understood from the person's inner logical framework. Try to analyze yourself when you're not under stress and free to do whatever. Where does your focus go?
[MENTION=29978]apathylex[/MENTION]: I need a INTP's perspective! Please.
 

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Oh. I wasn't necessarily saying that Te wanted to micromanage (though you see it sometimes). Te main focus is just achieving objective logical results. It wants everything to be standardized (money, time, cost, etc). As for Ti, it pretty much just analyzes. It doesn't really care about any standard as long as everything is understood from the person's inner logical framework. Try to analyze yourself when you're not under stress and free to do whatever. Where does your focus go?

[MENTION=29978]apathylex[/MENTION]: I need a INTP's perspective! Please.

I reckon Te trumps Ti in this case since I prefer to use standards to get things done the bulk of the time. I can say the only time I truly feel ecstatic about myself is when I pull off impressive results to whatever standard there is (or above it). I reckon you're trying to say Ti gets more in depth into things and at least from my perspective can come across as philosophical when trying to dissect things. I do like to pick ideas apart often out of curiosity for fun and I think it's healthy to break ideas apart and see what they are made of, though, but I normally will do that on the side to get what needs to get done. I do care about standards very much to a certain extent, but I also have to analyse what benefits they serve to my life as well and what they truly are in order to feel comfortable with it. I assume the last sentence is Fi or Ti, but I'm not sure. I just took a function test again and got this:

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It's very hard to pick Te/Ti for me as I use them in two different parts of my life and one doesn't necessarily trump the other.
 

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The main problem is that we all want to jump on the INxx boat. I just saw a post on facebook where it was asked to some random people to take a MBTI test and post their results. Top ones were INTJ, INTP, INFJ and ENTP.
I'm trying to find some clear data by going in a chatroom, talk to someone enough to have a first idea about their type, let them take a random test and collect the results. For now the most common results among boys are INTx, with xSTJ (that should be the most common type according to statistics) somewhere like sixth type by frequency. Typing is so damn biased. That's why I even doubt me being an INTP.
I still fail to see the Ne, which is rather funny. There are both points to be made for Ti, Te and Fi, so I'm going for inferior typing.

Which one does apply better to you?





 

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The main problem is that we all want to jump on the INxx boat. I just saw a post on facebook where it was asked to some random people to take a MBTI test and post their results. Top ones were INTJ, INTP, INFJ and ENTP.
I'm trying to find some clear data by going in a chatroom, talk to someone enough to have a first idea about their type, let them take a random test and collect the results. For now the most common results among boys are INTx, with xSTJ (that should be the most common type according to statistics) somewhere like sixth type by frequency. Typing is so damn biased. That's why I even doubt me being an INTP.
I still fail to see the Ne, which is rather funny. There are both points to be made for Ti, Te and Fi, so I'm going for inferior typing.

Which one does apply better to you?






I believe there is a bias towards intuitive types being perceived as more intelligent, however that's not the reason why I question my type. In fact compared to INTJ, ISTJ is a hell of a lot more relatable and it doesn't make me feel any way or another. What I'm confused by is how I generally test as INTJ despite by Se being bottom of the barrel and how when I ask for typing threads, it's always ISTJ or INTP. All three of these types honestly have very distinct functions that make them entirely different despite only being one letter apart from another, i.e. ISTJ uses Ne, Fi, Te, Si vs. INTP that uses Ne, Ti, Fe, Si vs. INTJ that uses Ni, Te, Se, Fi. Different combos with slight alterations but they make the world of difference so I'm not quite sure how I've been dealt with this mirage of types that don't seem to be similar to one another like an INTJ or ENTJ would.

None of these stick out to me, to be honest. I noticed a trend in all of them that at the very least in such a depressive state, you become very hypersensitive and irritable towards people and particular mannerisms/sulking in your emotions, beating yourself up, etc. I do none of that at all, even in my darkest times. I'm very good at controlling my temper around people and I often don't say things I'm not thinking (albeit I can be thinking something like 'don't say this' and I end up saying it accidentally but that's not the point I'm trying to make). I can only account for one time where I pretty much yelled at my dad at this department store because he made an offensive comment that just drove me up the wall (this was when I was 13 or so), and even then I was pretty aware of what I was saying and easily withheld the urge to curse and use other profanities. And when talking to myself I'm never harsh, I simply identify the problem and analyse the dynamics of it. I don't tell myself I'm a worthless being for example, I just tell myself what I'm doing is making me worthless in the moment and that it needs to be fixed. Now actually fixing the problem isn't that simple as me saying 'it needs to be fixed' but my point is I don't mentally degrade myself by saying things like that, I just become disappointed at worst by my actions as opposed to my overall demeanour of that makes sense.

If I had to pick, the very last one has a few sentences I relate to. I had a rough time during my early teens and it was described by the last one, although I don't really identify with it now so I'm not sure how accurate using that assessment is, but like I said if I had to pick something it would be based off of that one experience as I'm quite good at managing my emotions even when I'm flustered emotionally, especially in front of people. The rest read as foreign to me in their entirety for the most part.
 

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They are different only function-wise, not that much in reality. That's why a lot of ISFJs are mistaken for INFPs on this forum. The bias is also due to the intuitives' profiles being more detailed and relatable.
I found this thread. The guy is stuck in your same situation. Maybe you can get something out of it
The inferior you chose was Fi.
 

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They are different only function-wise, not that much in reality. That's why a lot of ISFJs are mistaken for INFPs on this forum. The bias is also due to the intuitives' profiles being more detailed and relatable.
I found this thread. The guy is stuck in your same situation. Maybe you can get something out of it
The inferior you chose was Fi.

From reading the OP, we have some differences.

I'm not very detail-oriented normally. In fact I generally don't like dealing with details, at least up front. I do a lot of researching on random subjects most of the time and I can tell you if I come across a topic that's loaded with details, I will run like the plague to another link until I get a generalised summary of what the topic is about and then come back for the details later, if I'm even interested in it still. I'm not sure exactly what it is but reading that many details without knowing the full pictures disturbs me heavily, like it gives me this odd sensation in my head and it's not very pleasant. And in general I'm not very meticulous with my work or activities. I can only account for things that spark my interest--which doesn't happen very often--that give me the energy to actually dig through those details. I normally do what it takes to get what needs to be done, e.g. for an assignment I'd do what was necessary to get the desired mark I want but even then the suggested details would annoy me to do. I just liked getting the general assignment done and letting that be that.

In terms of breaking the rules, I generally do break them if there's one I disagree with. I think following rules is important to particular extents, but some are extremely unnecessary, like for example study hall in school. In one year in secondary school I had study hall for the very last class. If I didn't have homework I wanted to go home, which was only 10 minutes away from the school by walk, but you weren't allowed to leave the school until the bell rang, which was a 40 minutes of waste that I could spend sleeping in my comfy bed at home. I wanted to get out very badly and while it 'scared' me from the respect that I could get caught until I weighed the pros and cons, and at worst they would give me detention. I eventually found a loop hole and was able to leave study hall without the teacher knowing for several months until I got caught one day, and then I found another method to do the same thing until I graduated. Doing this did give a little jolt in my heart since this was the first time I ever really 'broke' a rule so blatantly but I normally don't come across rules I'm so against that need to be broken. It's not that I agree with them, it's just that it takes a lot of energy for me to fight it especially when I have other objectives in the way. But if there's nothing stopping me from breaking a rule I don't agree with then I do it, and I still do now, which my ENTJ father scolds me on for trying to "work my way out of the system" but I digress.

I also like questioning people and I like to pick their brains of why they think a certain way. I talk to mates all the time about particular mannerisms people exhibit and why they do them. I also pose questions to people if I'm either bored enough to see how they respond. But I don't consider myself pedant at all, nor do I see myself as being totally submissive to rules; I follow them on the surface, but I definitely do not subscribe to them mentally and I will work my way around it or try to alter the rules to my liking as much as possible if I see fit.

I also like routines to a certain extent, but I become very bored of them often. I mean, there's certain things I really want/need done like having my bed made, desk clean, etc. but in general I like my routine to change overtime as I get bored with it very easily. I also like trying new things very often and will experiment to see how it changes my routine. If I do follow a routine, it's generally very curt and not elaborate. I like planning things also, but I don't like to have a list full of banal details. I use lists as a guide for the most part as I find it comforting, but I'd be disturbing/unsettled by being bogged down by a list of things to do. I'd also be unsettled not having an idea of what I'm going to do, either. So, take that as you will. I think I show signs of both as opposed to completely the other like with the guy in the thread, but still interested in hearing what you and maybe others will say.

This is somewhat off topic and probably not relevant, but I do have an ISTJ mum and ENTJ father like I mentioned before. My mum says I act more like my father, but my father says I resemble my mother more. So take that as you will, if needed.
 

Mayflower

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Sorry I neglected you. Leaning ESTJ
 

Mayflower

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Don't apologise; I'm very grateful you and others are taking time out of your day to assist me. What makes you say ESTJ? I think I'm a model introvert for the most part

You may be an introvert, but I feel more Te from you rather than Si, but that's just me. You struck me as ISTJ originally, but the more I looked you over, the more Te I saw. You could just have strong Te but still Si dom. Just noting something you mentioned above, just because Laws are somewhat Te doesn't mean you're not driven to break them. Je functions reference the external world but a Je individual only adheres to these external standards if they are considered worthy. So you breaking rules doesn't necessarily discount Te. I can see some Ti but not enough to say INTP. You wouldn't by chance know a bit about Socionics? I find that it's function descriptions better illustrate the nuances between the functions, in particular, Te and Ti. Information Elements
 

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Looks pretty much like ISTJ to me. Cognitive functions is a very imperfect theory. When it fails, it's best to accept its flaws and go just by the dichotomies.
Or if you buy into function development theory, you could say that you are an ISTJ who has not yet developed your auxiliary function and is stuck in an Si-Fi loop.

Btw, nice avatar ;)
 
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