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    @reckful , & between INs, which IN do YOU think I most likely might be?
    (Based on my posts, & based on your experience)


    Also, one thing I've heard about INXJ (Se inf) is that they use their Se inf mostly in grips!

    But I actually use it in normal situations & use it alot less in grip or huge stress!!!

    Is what I've heard true?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellyn View Post
    @reckful , & between INs, which IN do YOU think I most likely might be?
    (Based on my posts, & based on your experience)


    Also, one thing I've heard about INXJ (Se inf) is that they use their Se inf mostly in grips!

    But I actually use it in normal situations & use it alot less in grip or huge stress!!!

    Is what I've heard true?!
    I've still got a mild F lean for you — but again, subject to all those possible "T/F's a mess" complications, which could mean you're partly T and partly F, or etc. — and an even milder J lean, so I'd still pick INFJ as your "most likely" type and INFP as the runner-up (if forced to choose), but I'm not inclined to rule out any of the four IN types at this point.

    If you end up reading much of my T/F or J/P stuff, I'd be curious to hear any reactions you have that would indicate that, if you assume that whatever I'm describing about T/F or J/P is true, you feel like you're considerably more one side than the other.

    Similarly, if you read any of the IN type profiles in those roundups and come across anything that gives you a particularly strong "that sounds just like me" or "that's not me" reaction, I'd be interested in hearing about those.

    As far as "inferior Se" goes, and as previously noted, I'm not really a believer in typing yourself using the functions — or a believer in the functions at all, really. As explained in that TC Wiki page that I already linked you to, I basically agree with James Reynierse, who concluded — in a series of articles in the journal published by the official MBTI folks (including "The Case Against Type Dynamics") — that the so-called "cognitive functions" are basically nothing more than a "category mistake." When it comes to the kind of validity that makes a personality typology worth an intelligent person's attention, I think "type dynamics" belongs in the same category as the zodiac.

    It's not uncommon to read that their "inferior Se" supposedly leads INJs to do things like overindulge in sensory activities when they're under stress — buuut it really only makes sense to view sensory-indulgence stuff as a sign of "inferior Se" if whatever behavior you're focusing on is something that INTJs and INFJs are actually significantly more likely to engage in (or engage in under stress) than the other types — including the other N types.

    Otherwise, pointing to that stuff and saying, "that's my Se in action" is better viewed as Forerism.

    Talking about an MBTI type's "inferior" side certainly makes sense if what you're talking about is the tendency for the preferred sides of anyone's type to be associated with their strengths, and what comes naturally to them, and etc., and conversely, for the non-preferred sides of their type to be associated with their difficulties and weaknesses. But contrary to typical function-stack analyses, that strength/weakness dynamic is best viewed as true for all four dichotomies and all the possible dichotomy combinations. So an INTP, for example, will tend to demonstrate weaknesses associated with the aspects of personality associated with E and S and F and J, and associated with combinations like EF and SF and SJ and FJ and so on.

    So from that standpoint, if you're looking at an "Se" description, and it consists of aspects of personality that tend to be most characteristic of SPs, and where SPs tend to be the most accomplished/natural types, then it makes sense to expect that NJs will be the types (as among the SPs, SJs, NPs and NJs) who are most likely to experience those aspects of personality as sources of weakness/difficulty/inferiority.
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    Just in case it's helpful, I've put a recycle of a more recent dichotomies-vs.-functions post (from another forum) in the spoiler, and it probably qualifies as a more streamlined version of that previously-linked TC Wiki page and the collection of posts that it links to.

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    In the probably highly unlikely event that you haven't had enough of me yet...

    Back in 2013, I did quite a bit of post stalking as part of typing two forum women who I ended up concluding were pretty good examples of their respective types.

    RisaMoccasin, in particular, is a "textbook INFJ" in many ways (IMHO) — and neurotic, to boot — and my five-post type analysis of her (starting here) includes lots of exemplary quotes from her posts, and commentary by me on various ways I think NJs differ from NPs, INFJs differ from INFPs, ISFPs differ from INFPs, and so on.

    And I think Inis Mona (then known as Polly) is a pretty good example of an above-average-neurotic INFP — although closer than you to the E/I borderline — and here's a post where I talk about various of the reasons why I think so.

    As I've said, I think your J/P preference, whatever it may be, is on the mild side, so I'm guessing you'd find — if you look at those analyses (which you shouldn't feel any pressure to do) — that RisaMoccasin is considerably more J than you are, and probably that Inis Mona is significantly more P than you are. And I'd say RisaMoccasin is also significantly more F than you are. But especially if you end up concluding that you're a neurotic INF, you might find that reading those posts helps you decide whether you're an INFJ or an INFP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reckful View Post
    In the probably highly unlikely event that you haven't had enough of me yet...

    Back in 2013, I did quite a bit of post stalking as part of typing two forum women who I ended up concluding were pretty good examples of their respective types.

    RisaMoccasin, in particular, is a "textbook INFJ" in many ways (IMHO) — and neurotic, to boot — and my five-post type analysis of her (starting here) includes lots of exemplary quotes from her posts, and commentary by me on various ways I think NJs differ from NPs, INFJs differ from INFPs, ISFPs differ from INFPs, and so on.

    And I think Inis Mona (then known as Polly) is a pretty good example of an above-average-neurotic INFP — although closer than you to the E/I borderline — and here's a post where I talk about various of the reasons why I think so.

    As I've said, I think your J/P preference, whatever it may be, is on the mild side, so I'm guessing you'd find — if you look at those analyses (which you shouldn't feel any pressure to do) — that RisaMoccasin is considerably more J than you are, and probably that Inis Mona is significantly more P than you are. And I'd say RisaMoccasin is also significantly more F than you are. But especially if you end up concluding that you're a neurotic INF, you might find that reading those posts helps you decide whether you're an INFJ or an INFP.
    @reckful I can't leave private messages to you so I'm kinda highjacking this thread a little. I've been following your conversations in this thread and would like to know if I could get your opinion on my type?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sardonic delight View Post
    @reckful I can't leave private messages to you so I'm kinda highjacking this thread a little. I've been following your conversations in this thread and would like to know if I could get your opinion on my type?
    I don't browse the What's My Type? subforum and very rarely get significantly involved in individual type-me exercises here at TC. I ended up in this thread because it was originally in the MBTI/JCF subforum, and also because I was looking for an excuse to copy a bunch of long type-related posts that I'd made at other forums over here. And on top of that, I'm mostly going to be away from forumland for much of the rest of August.

    Buuut my posts in this thread are a set that basically add up to a reckful type-you kit — on all four MBTI dimensions, plus Neuroticism. So if you follow my links to the official MBTI and Big Five tests, and read my takes on E/I, S/N, T/F and J/P — not to mention the dichotomies-over-functions stuff — then you're likely to be able to figure out what your type is according to my MBTI perspective, and quite possibly better than I could, given that you'll have my take on the four dimensions (and neuroticism) and you know yourself a lot better than I'll ever know you.

    That said, I'm more than happy to address any specific type-related issues you might have that arise from your trying to apply the stuff in my posts to yourself, and the best way to do that would probably be to tag me in one of your type-me threads, just like you've tagged me here. You shouldn't expect much in the way of responses before September, though.
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    @reckful , when I read about those two TC ppl, I think I relate to Polly a lot more than Risa!

    Polly was too E to be me!

    I can relate to what Risa (INFJ) said, but honestly,...not really. She was too J. Alot more than me!
    & she was alot more F & caring than I am!

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    I also read your T/F & P/J spoilers.
    You're right I'm so in the middle for both of them.

    For example, for T/F (& P/J), some of the examples made me think I'm T (most of them) & some made me think I'm the other one.

    Also, in real life, I really can't deal with extremely P ppl, they're just too carefree & relaxed.
    But I also can't deal with extremely J ppl either.

    Though I might not always act on it, I do get stress & a sense that I have to complete a mission, or fo something in a perfectionist way!

    Two examples ;

    1)I might procrastinate. I might not always be somewhere on time. But I do get alot of stress from it. I cannot relax. (Btw, my procrastination usually happens in response to extreme stress/disappointment or lack of interest/hope.)


    2)On day, my P friend, needed my class notes. So I took my notebook to uni to give it to her.

    Guess what! She didn't even show up at uni that day (she skipped the class that day).

    I waited a bit cuz I assumed she might really need them asap, & also because I wanted to complete this mission asap & feel relaxed.
    But she didn't show up! & she didn't even bother to let me know!!!

    Idk if I called her or not, but I guess I did, but she didn't answer or call back I guess.

    I was both angry with her & also worried. How could she not feel anxious for not having the notes the wanted?!?

    Anyways, after waiting for her for a proper time & not even getting a text/call from her, I went home & thought that "it's HER problem not mine"!!!

    At midnight (or maybe the next morning), she finally texted me telling me to relax & that she's not in a rush for it !!!

    As I knew that she's probably going to do the same thing when giving my notes back, I photocopied the parts she needed & gave it to her!!! I kept the original notes!!!

    Though I didn't really complain about it & didn't express my anger in a direct way!

    But I'm not really J either!!!

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    Now an F/T example.

    One of my F family members had a dog(puppy). She spoiled the dog very much. Even if she didn't want to, she changed her mind after seeing those sad puppy eyes. She gave him "too much food" & everything in their house had sorta become the pup's toy! If the pup begged for it, she would give it to him.

    & she didn't even want to train or limit her pup. The puppy could do everything & go everywhere. He could pee everywhere without being punished or trained. She thought it was too cruel to train a puppy!

    Sometimes, she asked me to look after her pup. I often resisted but sometimes I did not.

    In general, the sad pup eyes had NO effect on me! & I deffo thought the puppy had to have training & limitations.
    & I deffo only gave him food when needed!
    I told her this, but she still thought it was cruel!!!

    So, I just ended up not accepting babysitting his dog!!!

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    Now on the S/N part. Eventhough you say I seem IN, I'm still very confused on this part.

    I sort of see a Idealism/realism balance (50/50)
    & I sometimes see the flaws & want to make things better, more perfect, etc. (N)

    But I also have S. In real life I like "doing". I'm a bit lazy at first, but I need to have things to do, fun activities, adventures, etc.

    & I'm deffo the person who loves big supermarkets full of surprises, new/exotic things to try(eat). It really stimulates my curiousity & my S.

    Seeing all those different tastes, fragrances, smells, brands, colors, etc. It's just so S-stimulating for me!!! & So exciting!!!


    **also, I learn better by "doing a thing" or at least "seeing it" than by reading it.

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    Wow! I seem in the middle in most functions. Plz plz ask me some tricky real life questions in order to make sure which side I am in each of them.

    & sorry I ask too many questions.

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    @reckful ,
    Another reason why I probably doubt being INFP so much, us my INFP cousine.

    She's INFP, but we're so different. Actually it was first "her" who introduced me to mbti world. & in my first mbti test, I got ISTP & at that time I read the discription & it matched.
    (But a few months after that, I took another test & got INTP & it sorta didn't match.).
    Then I started searching for my true type!!!



    It's mostly our differences that makes me think I'm probably not INFP.
    For example ;

    ■1)She's more judgemental & two faced than I am.
    If two ppl (relatives) are fighting, she's alot more likely to take sides & involve herself, judge them & try to be two faced/gossipy etc.

    I might care, but I don't get involved (unless it's inside my own family), & I try to watch it & not get sides.& I usually keep my judgements to myself.




    ■2)she's into the meanings, literature, opera, theater, books, novels, theories, philosophy, poems reading, ppl, etc. She loves reading.

    I'm mostly into adventures, nature, fashion, trying new things, new food, or at least looking at food pictures, cooking new dishes, painting, handicraft, movies, gym, gardening, etc.

    While I can be creative in some of these areas (specially for the sakes of competition, being perfect, etc), I don't really actively seek to have hobbies/interests in those areas!

    (example; I might write poems/novels(short stories)..for the sakes of knowing that I CAN if I want to, or for competition, being known as tallentef, or just for similar reasons like testing my creativity, but I'm not "generally" into poems/novels/books/reading.

    Actually, asides from school, I have NEVER read poems/poetic books, & I have only read 7 short story type novels in my whole life (apart from childhood bedtime stories ppl read for me.) ;

    Jane Eyre (after watching the series)
    The Christmas Carol
    Ghost Stories (only half of it)
    Sherlock Holmes (only half of it I guess)
    Frankenstein
    Voodoo Island

    & I've got my 4th SS novel (The Pic of Dorian Grey) & That's because I've watched "Penny Dreadful" series, & Dorian was my favorite character with his sensuality.
    But I still haven't started reading.)

    I get ADD/ADHD every time I try to read a book!!!

    I used to read scientific books (specially about astronomy & planets) in childhood. They were the sorts of books that were full of pictures & illustrations & explained everything only in one short paragraph or two. (Kid's encyclopedia)



    ■3)I'm into fashion & "creating/making".

    She's not. While she can really enjoy clothes shopping (which I kinda hate), she doesn't really care about making/creating or wearing something different or looking original.
    ---
    & when It comes to food, I care about variety, appearance, taste, exoticness, being new/different, adventurous, cultures, etc. I actually research about food alot!

    She doesn't really like trying new food.
    She just eats for the sakes of eating & mot getting hungry.
    & she doesn't care about variety or appearance of food.




    ■4)she's really bossy. When we're in a group, she thinks she has the right to boss ppl down. & if you don't listen to her she gets angry & even more controlling (while she might seem relaxed at first). & she can be very rude.

    I neither like to be a boss, nor a follower. I'm a delta type. If the boss is useful or reasonable (if he deserves being a boss), I'm loyal & I try to impress.
    Otherwise, I'm not gonna be in that group.




    ■5)She's more traditional than me. She believes in patriarchy & family hierarchy & accepts them without questioning them.
    She thinks we should respect our older relatives (specially males) without any reason. & then she respects her old relatives more than "outsiders".

    We should deal with abusive parents, & obbey them, without defending ourselves or questioning it.

    We should have our parents religion & believe in it (without questioning it or changing it)

    Well, I deffo DON'T!!!!!!!!




    ■6) but she's very relaxed about changes of plans (in the last moment), or ppl not being responsible.
    & I plan more than she does.



    ■7)aesthetics are less important to her.
    You can take her to a dessert with no beauty & nothing to do, but she can still be happy about being with relatives, talking/debating or grabbing a book & relaxing.
    She's more talkative than I am!


    I get bored in these situations. For me, the place needs to be beautiful, modern & full of adventures & thrills, & new things.
    I love my family (esp very few of them), but I also care very much about aesthetics & being active.



    ■8) she believes in traditional roles (like of men & women) alot more than me. (Women should be this/that way, men should be this/that way, etc.) Or this is only for men/women, etc.

    While I think there should be no "traditional view"! There should be balance.
    & in relationship men & women should help eachother & be like friends.

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    What do you think?
    Can two INFPs be thaaaat different?

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    Again, Sorry I ask too many questions!

    Today I took D.Nardy test again &...


    Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
    extraverted Sensing (Se) ******************************* (31.6)
    good use
    introverted Sensing (Si) **************************** (28.8)
    average use
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) **************************** (28.9)
    average use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) *********************************** (35.9)
    good use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) ****************************** (30)
    average use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) ***************************** (29.6)
    average use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ********************** (22.7)
    limited use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) ******************************** (32.9)
    good use
    Summary Analysis of Profile
    By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: INTJ

    Lead (Dominant) Process
    Introverted Intuiting (Ni): Transforming with a meta-perspective. Withdrawing from the world and focusing your mind to receive an insight or realization. Checking if synergy results. Trying out a realization to transform things.

    Support (Auxilliary) Process
    Extraverted Thinking (Te): Measuring and constructing for progress. Making decisions objectively based on evidence and measures. Checking if things function properly. Applying a procedure to control events and complete goals.

    If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: ENTJ, or ISFP



    Idk about ISFP. Even INTJ would "kinda" suit me, but ENTJ?!?!

    The last type I would see myself as would be ENTJ/ESTJ.

    Nothing against them, I just don't think I'm EXTJ!!!

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    Here's a roundup of stuff from some of your posts (here and at PerC), with my type-related annotations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ellyn View Post
    One day, I'm like a classic old fashioned (like 20s-70s) lady, & I enjoy old fashioned hobbies & style. I become serious, polite & lady-like.

    One day I'm like a sensual, sensitive, creative & original artist.

    I pay attention to my artistic hobbies like dancing, singing, painting, classical music, loving architecture, art, dancing, designing, fashion & being in a dramatic/sad mood. I sometimes become goth-like.
    Again, placing a high value on creativity — and especially artistic creativity — really is a pretty good N indicator, and it applies to creation/design/aesthetics involving physical stuff (painting, dancing, fashion, architecture) as well as intangible stuff (fiction or music). "Aesthetics" is one of the six facets of Openness to Experience (the Big Five equivalent of an N preference)

    And it seems to be a pretty consistent theme in the posts you've made (both here and at PerC) that if there's one area of life that really deserves to be called your biggest passion, it's artistic/aesthetic creativity, and that the reason you haven't pursued something more creative as a career has more to do with trying to be realistic (and maybe some parental pressure) than the fact that a more creative career wouldn't be your fondest desire.

    Quite a few of your posts talk about ways that you're a mix of MBTI-related characteristics, but especially for someone who's probably got one or more mild preferences, the question to ask is which side feels more like the core, gut-level you, and which side is more like the sometimesy, change-of-pace you.

    You say "one day" you're like that "classic old fashioned lady," and "one day" you're that "sensual, sensitive, creative & original artist" — but if you assume for the sake of argument that one of those is more the core you and one is more the change-of-pace you, wouldn't you say you ultimately identify more with the sensual/creative artist?

    Similarly...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ellyn View Post
    One day I'm like a serious hardworking/determined & ambitious business man who is very envious and competetive. & I just want to improve myself & my position & I make plans for that.

    & some days (very rarely) I try to be happy, adventurous, carefree & friendly (rare). I watch funny videos, feel strong, do athletic activities alot, whatch happy things on TV, etc.
    You note that the adventurous/carefree you is the "rare" you, and that's why it makes sense to assume that the other you (the "serious hardworking/determined & ambitious business man") is more the core you that corresponds to whatever inborn MBTI "preference" you may have (mild though it may be).

    Quote Originally Posted by Ellyn View Post
    I feel close to ISXP because...

    I'm very sensual, & into variety. different things, tastes, colors, etc excite me. Old things & routines bore me.

    I'm adventurous & love trying new things. This adrenaline rush really works for me.
    ...
    Also, I'm a hand on learner. I learn best through "doing" than like studying or listening to lectures or records. I judt can't sit still or listen to lectures & I start daydreaming in most classes.

    Also, I'm very imaginetive & sometimes spend my time in my head daydreaming about someone or something or future.
    ...
    And INXJ (Ni) because....

    I have goals & ambitions for my future, & feel guilty when I see some ppl are just too carefree & don't have them.

    I'm competetive & envious. I wanna be better than others, & If I can't (for whatever reasons) I lose interest & feel anxious.

    I make plans alot. I can not always be spontaneous & carefree or positive & comfy.

    If I wanna go to a new situation/place, I have to ask or research & gain enough info about that place, the ppl, what I should do, what they expect me to do, What I should wear, how I should act, etc.

    In one word, I have to be prepared or I'm going to feel anxious/self conscious.

    I even make plans for what I'm going to say,...

    & If I really take responsibility or promise something, I have to do it asap or I'm going to feel guilty. Like If I borrow something, I take good care of it & give it back asap & if others are not like that, I secretly get angry.

    At places like work(summer job), I do work with others & help them. I like feeling needed and important, & don't like conflicts,

    but my priority is to be creative & do things to stand out & be admired/appreciated by useful ppl & higher powers. That's why I'm a bit secretive & loner in these places.

    & you know, I'm not a charity lover type of person when It comes to act of service ;

    Most of the times, I help ppl I really care about (very few ppl) or useful ppl. & I find it hard to say "No" to them.

    For example at work/uni, when I do something very well, or do something original & then bosses/higher powers thank me, admire me or that I look into their eyes & see that they're happy/pleased & they like me, it gives me an ecstatic feeling & motivation.

    It makes me want to work harder & please them ever harder.

    On the other hand, if they don't see things I do, or don't treat me well, or don't include me, I get depressed, self consious & lose interest/hope.

    & yes, I kinda care about what ppl think/say about me. Especially the useful ones, or the ones I see everyday.

    Maybe that's why I'm not witty. I watch my words alot & try not to even joke to offend/hurt ppl in order not to see a bad reaction or revenge that can hurt me. Misunderstandings can happen.

    So specially at work (summer job) & uni, I'm quiet/shy, polite, reserved & business like. I hardly even open up or find friends.
    I'd say there are quite a few more J-indicators than P-indicators in those descriptions, and more N-indicators than S-indicators.

    You associated ISXP with "variety. different things, tastes, colors, etc excite me. Old things & routines bore me. I'm adventurous & love trying new things" — but I'd say that aspect of personality falls along a spectrum with the NPs at one end (the most adventurous and variety/change-loving ones) and the SJs at the other.

    Here's some recycled reckful on NPs and SJs (and NJs and SPs) and change:

    I think it's fair to say that any time you're talking about an aspect of personality that two (or more) of the dichotomies make a substantial contribution to, the people on opposite sides of all the relevant dichotomies will also be on opposite sides with respect to the affected aspect of personality. As one example, I'd say attitude toward change is one of those cases where two of the dichotomies can be viewed as contributing, each in its own way, to an aspect of personality. If you want to contrast change-oriented vs. tradition-oriented, I'd say N/S and J/P each tend to make a contribution, with SJs being the ultimate traditionalists (temperamentally over-pessimistic about change, and tending to over-value the way things are and/or "always have been"), NPs being the ultimate change agents (temperamentally over-optimistic about change, and prone to err on the side of having too little respect for established ways), and SPs and NJs being somewhere in between and arguably more realistic (about change). Maybe you could say NJs are change agents, but more cautious and realistic about possible changes than the NPs; and that SPs are not that driven to be changers/innovators, but are more open to change (and less tradition-worshipping) than the SJs.

    One of the Big Five Openness to Experience facets is Openness to Actions, and here's how McCrae & Costa describe it:

    Openness is seen behaviorally in the willingness to try different activities, go new places, or eat unusual foods. High scorers on this scale prefer novelty and variety to familiarity and routine. Over time, they may engage in a series of different hobbies. Low scorers find change difficult and prefer to stick with the tried and true.

    So it really doesn't make to be giving yourself S points for your love of variety and trying new things — including when those things are physical things (like foods). If anything, that's more of an N indicator.

    "Hands on learner" is a concept that's often associated with S in MBTI sources, but I'd say it partly depends what kind of subject you're talking about. And having trouble sitting through lectures can sometimes be more of an indication that there are ADHD-ish factors in play than an S/N thing. Also, speaking as a strong N, I can assure you that just about anybody can find themselves having trouble sitting through classes if they're not particularly interested in the subject, or the teacher's style is on the snoozy side.

    And on the other side, I'd say that set of "INXJ" characteristics you listed got you significantly more J points than the "ISXP" set got you P points. And more specifically, I'd say your "INXJ" portrait is better framed as an INFJ portrait (if I assume you're an IN).

    NTs are the most independent types, and the types who care the least about what others think of them.

    You care a lot what people think of you. And as among introverts, that's IF > IT first and foremost.

    But also: you don't care about approval/validation from just anybody. You're looking for serious approval/validation, from the people who matter (the "useful" people). It's not a popularity thing for you, first and foremost. And that's significantly more characteristic of FJ than FP, and it sounds to me like that streak is pretty strong in you.

    You want the kinds of approvals that show that you're "better than others"; not just well-liked. You want to be recognized as "important," not just popular. You say, "my priority is to be creative & do things to stand out & be admired/appreciated by useful ppl & higher powers. That's why I'm a bit secretive & loner in these places."

    You're "secretive" and a "loner" partly because you don't care that much about being accepted/liked/popular with the masses of your co-workers. You're looking for "admiration" from the "useful ppl & higher powers."

    And I'd say that's kind of quintessential FJ — although, as you know, I also think T/F and male/female is kind of a tangle, and I'd say that kind of streak would be somewhat less uncharacteristic of a female INT than a male INT. But that said, and assuming you're an introvert (and especially if I assume you're an N), that streak gets you both significant F points and significant J points at Casa Reckful.

    I can't resist reprising a bit more of your description:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ellyn View Post
    For example at work/uni, when I do something very well, or do something original & then bosses/higher powers thank me, admire me or that I look into their eyes & see that they're happy/pleased & they like me, it gives me an ecstatic feeling & motivation.

    It makes me want to work harder & please them ever harder.

    On the other hand, if they don't see things I do, or don't treat me well, or don't include me, I get depressed, self consious & lose interest/hope.
    ...
    So specially at work (summer job) & uni, I'm quiet/shy, polite, reserved & business like. I hardly even open up or find friends.
    And to focus on one point in particular: the fact that you're "ambitious" and "competitive" could lead to the result that you want your "bosses/higher powers" to admire and appreciate you as a means to an end — namely, to help you achieve success. And in that case seeking that admiration and appreciation could just as well be a T thing. But you confess that the fact that "they're happy/pleased & they like me" gives you an "ecstatic feeling," and motivates you to "work harder & please them ever harder" — and that's got significantly more of an INF flavor than an INT flavor (although again, I'll grant that typical male/female differences may also come into play there).

    And meanwhile, I'd say these parts of your description are worth some significant J points:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ellyn View Post
    I have goals & ambitions for my future, & feel guilty when I see some ppl are just too carefree & don't have them. ...

    I make plans alot. I can not always be spontaneous & carefree or positive & comfy.

    If I wanna go to a new situation/place, I have to ask or research & gain enough info about that place, the ppl, what I should do, what they expect me to do, What I should wear, how I should act, etc.

    In one word, I have to be prepared or I'm going to feel anxious/self conscious.

    I even make plans for what I'm going to say,...

    & If I really take responsibility or promise something, I have to do it asap or I'm going to feel guilty. Like If I borrow something, I take good care of it & give it back asap & if others are not like that, I secretly get angry.
    And here's a PerC post with the same strong J flavor:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ellyn
    Why INTJ/INFJ?

    mostly because of Ni-dom.

    Like I said before, I think about future alot. I sometimes make to-do lists, or lists before going shopping, traveling, etc.

    Usually, When I come home from uni/summer job, instead of fully staying in the present moment and enjoying it, I mostly think about the next day and get stressed out. I don't like doing it, but I do it.

    & usually, before going to a new places with new ppl, I have to do a lot of research and Q&As in order to feel less anxious. I might even be excited for it, but I ask tons of "what ifs" & Ineed to be prepared.

    I need to know what they expect, what I should do/wear etc...

    I might not necessarily keep up with it, but I sorta love planning.
    Moving to T/F...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ellyn View Post
    & about being F or T,

    Sometimes I overthink about some ppl/ situations & read between the lines, misinterpret, or get dramatic & depressed in my head. & I'm sensitive & hate conflict. I take lotsa things personally & I truly wish I could have thick skin.

    But in some situations, I don't let emotions stop me from making a logical decision and it amazes me.
    ...
    I rarely open up unless I'm very anxious (& even then I open up ONLY a bit & regret it later).
    ...
    I express my personal emotions through art, painting or music if I ever do it.

    As for being indipendent or social...

    I hate social media/chatting/texting/having on-line or long distance friends. I have very few friends & we rarely text. I prefer family to friends.
    Overthinking interpersonal situations and "reading between the lines" and taking "lotsa things personally" and hating conflict are all somewhat more characteristic of F's than T's — and maybe especially more characteristic of INFs (the most psychologically-prone types) than INTs (the most interpersonally-aloof types).

    And on the other hand, most INFs would say that "in some situations" (at least), they "don't let emotions stop [them] from making a logical decision." (And you add that "it amazes me" — and I don't think it would be all that likely for an INT or IST to be "amazed" that they didn't let emotions get in the way of a logical decision.)

    And being much more inclined to "express your personal emotions through art, painting or music" is significantly more N-characteristic than S-characteristic, and really quintesstentially INF.

    On the other hand...

    Quote Originally Posted by reckful View Post
    3. When you think about having kids, which of these five statements best applies to you?

    A. I feel like not having kids would mean missing out on an aspect of life nobody should miss.

    B. I'm pretty sure I want to have kids.

    C. I have mixed feelings on kids, and could see my life going either way.

    D. I acknowledge I may feel differently in a few years, but at this point I'm somewhat leaning against ever having kids.

    E. I feel sure, or pretty sure, I don't ever want to have kids.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ellyn View Post
    Deffo (100%) "E"!!!

    The thought of having kids some day really scares me!!! The thought of marriage scares me too, but having kids scares me alot more!

    I'm 22! & I had this opinion from early ages & I still have it even though many ppl told me I'm going to change my mind when I grow up!

    Many ppl say "aww cute" when they see kids/babies, but I actually hate babies.

    It's not just that! I hate pregnancy, child birth, body changes, resposibility that comes with it, taking care of them, sacrifices, etc.

    I think I'm going to end up being single forever, as I know "NO ONE" who thinks like me!
    I'm not gonna lie. Although plenty of 22-year-old single INF women have mixed feelings (at best, and for various reasons) about whether they want to have kids someday, the one-sidedness of your perspective in this area earned you some T points.
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