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Am I an ISFJ or something else? Please type me.

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Hello. I am a 21 year old female. For the past 3-4 years, I've been trying to figure out my MBTI type. When I was 17-18, I would always test as an INTJ or INTP. However, I have consistently typed as an INFJ for the past 6 months now, and I don't think I'm an INFJ. I've also typed as an INFP or ISFP. After discovering the cognitive functions of each type, I'm pretty settled on ISFJ, as I think it fits me the best, but I'm still unsure about this.




Here is a list of traits I posses. I think they fit ISFJ perfectly, but I would like the imput of others before settling on a type:

• I am extremely future oriented. I really do not have any interest in the past, unless it can be helpful for the future. I have a tendency to think about what could be.



• I am not a sentimental person. In fact, I sometimes find extremely sentimental people to be attention seeking, and I find people who constantly talk about things they find sentimental to be irritating.


• I am an extremely shy and reserved person. I'm trying to work on the shyness, but I've been reserved all my life.


• I don't have a huge social circle, and I prefer one-on-one conversation.


• I am concerned with the emotional well-being of others. I tend to be more intuned with the emotions of others than my own. In fact, I am a very closed of person who has been described as hard-to-read. I am often able to feel the emotional state of others, and I'm decent at figuring out what others are thinking. I also hate to dwell on my own emotions. If I'm feeling emotional, I prefer to write it down my journal than just letting it sit in my mind.


• I hate it when people go into excessive details when describing things. I would rather people get to the point when they speak, or I would rather they use analogies or metaphors than tell me pointless details.


• I'm good at figuring out if someone is lying to me.


• I'm good at picking out behavioral patterns, and I use this to determine how I think someone will act in a certain situation.


• I'm decent at analytical thinking, and deciding whether or not what someone says makes logical sense.


• I hate parties and loud crowds.


• I'm indecisive. This is because I'm trying trying to figure out what is best for everyone.


• I don't think about how things were done in the past. I look at each situation with a different perspective, since I think each situation is different, and you cannot compare one to the other. I'm also good at thinking of multiple different ways a situation could end up.


• I love theoretical ideas and concepts, even if I know they have no real-world application. I always think they have the possibility of happening, though.



• When I'm stressed, I tend to overeat, oversleep, get extremely emotional and blunt with people, and I usually just flat-out shut down. I also tend to feel very "sexual" or "adventurous" when in an extreme state of stress, and these thoughts upset me.


• I have crippling social anxiety, and my therapist told me that I may have extremely high functioning Asperger's. I know this has nothing to do with MBTI, but it interferes with my ability to get as close to people as I desire to. I like to help and understand people, but these issues seem to be getting in the way of my ability to do so.


• My family members tell me I worry too much about other people. This is because I'm always thinking ways something could end up, and I try to help/protect people. My twin sister also think's I'm irritating, because I'm always trying to help her fix her issues when she doesn't want help or wants to be alone.



• I am fascinated at how the human mind works. I'm always wondering why people do the things they do, etc.


• I was a lonely child and teenager. I rarely opened up to other people, and I was hard to read.


• I don't try to persuade people to change their opinions. Instead, I like to see why they think the way they do. I'm also not offended when people have different ideas than me.


• I'm not an extremely traditional person, and I question thoughts and ways of thinking that I view as highly ineffective and pointless. I also have my own way of doing things, and I try to make logical sense in my mind.



• I hate small talk and chit-chat.



• I hate social media. I can usually read though people's Instagram and Facebook pages, and I can tell when they're being fake. This is why I avoid social media at all cost.


• I hate doing practical things. Now, I am rather good at managing money and doing everyday task like paying bills, but this is because I can see the long-term impact if I don't do these things. I also prefer to live in my mind, and I'm not fond of "living in the moment", as I don't understand how anyone can truly live in the here and now.






I think I'm an ISFJ because: I'm good at connecting things to form a conclusion, and I often come to conclusions with no logical explanation (Si), I like to help people, and I can connect to and absorb their emotions more than my own (Fe), I form analytical and logical systems in my mind rather than in the external world (Ti), and I see things and react to the external world when in dire situations (Ne). I also read that ISFJ is one of the most common MBTI types amongst women, and they often mistype themselves as INFJ, INFP, ISFP, or ESFJ. If I have described this wrong, then feel free to correct me.
 

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Based on this, I actually would say INFJ > ISFJ. What you're attributing to Si sounds a bit more like Ni to me. Agreed on Fe/Ti from what I can tell.
 

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Based on this, I actually would say INFJ > ISFJ. What you're attributing to Si sounds a bit more like Ni to me. Agreed on Fe/Ti from what I can tell.

Why do you think I may use Ni as opposed to Si? I'm just asking because for some reason I have a hard time telling to two apart.
 

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Your bullet point list does not strike me as preferring S/Si at all; for example, your aversion to details and inability/dislike of being in the here and now, and little interest in the past. Also, especially, love of theory even if it has no practical application.
 

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Why do you think I may use Ni as opposed to Si? I'm just asking because for some reason I have a hard time telling to two apart.

Your bullet point list does not strike me as preferring S/Si at all; for example, your aversion to details and inability/dislike of being in the here and now, and little interest in the past. Also, especially, love of theory even if it has no practical application.

^This, basically. Also, the way you talk about being able to read people strikes me as NiFe.

Si and Ni are very similar, both being introverted perceiving functions and all. Si cares more about the details and the tangibility more so than Ni does.
 

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Your bullet point list does not strike me as preferring S/Si at all; for example, your aversion to details and inability/dislike of being in the here and now, and little interest in the past. Also, especially, love of theory even if it has no practical application.

This is one of the main problems I've had with typing myself for the past few months. Sometimes I frequent the MBTI sub on Reddit, and I asked them to type me. I gave a similar description to the one I posted here, and a few posters were convinced I was an ISFJ. They told me that ISFJ descriptions are not accurate, and that sensors can like theories and hate living in the here-and-now. They also told me that there are more sensors than intuitives, and that I was most likely an ISFJ since it is the one of the most common types. I've also lurked on Reddit's INFJ sub, and a lot of the post seem highly self-centered and over emotional, which is why I sometimes question if I am a thinker and not a feeler, and I cannot relate to the self-victimization on that sub at all. They also seem to post tons of eloquent post on their own feelings and emotions, while when I feel like writing in an eloquent manner, it's usually about my observations on humanity or society as a whole. I just don't feel as though I can relate to most INFJs, which is why I think I'm an ISFJ.
 

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^This, basically. Also, the way you talk about being able to read people strikes me as NiFe.

Si and Ni are very similar, both being introverted perceiving functions and all. Si cares more about the details and the tangibility more so than Ni does.


Ok, now Si and Ni are making a little more sense to me. I'm still not sure if I'm using Si or Ni though.
 

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This is one of the main problems I've had with typing myself for the past few months. Sometimes I frequent the MBTI sub on Reddit, and I asked them to type me. I gave a similar description to the one I posted here, and a few posters were convinced I was an ISFJ. They told me that ISFJ descriptions are not accurate, and that sensors can like theories and hate living in the here-and-now. They also told me that there are more sensors than intuitives, and that I was most likely an ISFJ since it is the one of the most common types. I've also lurked on Reddit's INFJ sub, and a lot of the post seem highly self-centered and over emotional, which is why I sometimes question if I am a thinker and not a feeler, and I cannot relate to the self-victimization on that sub at all. They also seem to post tons of eloquent post on their own feelings and emotions, while when I feel like writing in an eloquent manner, it's usually about my observations on humanity or society as a whole. I just don't feel as though I can relate to most INFJs, which is why I think I'm an ISFJ.

I agree that sensors can like theory (heck, I can like theory and have read many books sensors 'shouldn't' enjoy reading according to stereotypes), do theory in school, excel at it, etc. I can do all of that. But it's your specifically saying it doesn't have to have a practical application.

For example.... I might like theory, hence can participate on this forum, but I'll be honest..... if this is a real-life conversation, and the theory-talk goes beyond 15 minutes, into the hours-long realm, I'll be incredibly bored. I just... get bored with all of the talk. I'd rather be doing things. (This isn't across the board for all sensors, though.... an ISFJ for example may be much more inclined to be fine talking for hours, maybe even about theory (I don't know... SJ's would have to chime in).

I think the best way to decide your type is honestly hanging around this forum, and other forums as you have been doing, get a feel for how the different types post, what their thoughts are, how they think and process, and you might get a better idea.

Going off a bullet point list is never going to be a science -- there were just things that caught my eye that seemed unlikely for an Si-dom especially.

But yeah... it's no science. Good luck!
 

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I agree that sensors can like theory (heck, I can like theory and have read many books sensors 'shouldn't' enjoy reading according to stereotypes), do theory in school, excel at it, etc. I can do all of that. But it's your specifically saying it doesn't have to have a practical application.

For example.... I might like theory, hence can participate on this forum, but I'll be honest..... if this is a real-life conversation, and the theory-talk goes beyond 15 minutes, into the hours-long realm, I'll be incredibly bored. I just... get bored with all of the talk. I'd rather be doing things. (This isn't across the board for all sensors, though.... an ISFJ for example may be much more inclined to be fine talking for hours, maybe even about theory (I don't know... SJ's would have to chime in).

I think the best way to decide your type is honestly hanging around this forum, and other forums as you have been doing, get a feel for how the different types post, what their thoughts are, how they think and process, and you might get a better idea.

Going off a bullet point list is never going to be a science -- there were just things that caught my eye that seemed unlikely for an Si-dom especially.

But yeah... it's no science. Good luck!

Ok, I'll try looking on the type forums.
 

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Ok, now Si and Ni are making a little more sense to me. I'm still not sure if I'm using Si or Ni though.

This is really the only good ISFJ description/video I've ever seen. I haven't watched any of his others yet but he has an INFJ one as well. I would recommend watching them, shadowing a few members of the types you are suspecting and perhaps asking them questions, browsing our threads, and getting involved in the community. It's a bit of a small community here so the longer you stick around and the more you post, the better feel we will get for you (which is much more possible than on large forums where it feels like shouting during a storm imo). Then it will be easier to find examples of how you use Si/Ni/any function in actual real life and conversation just from being yourself in a group of typology lovers.


Here are a few threads I can recommend you to get you started!

http://www.typologycentral.com/foru...3338-wherever-si-stack-pancakes-identify.html

http://www.typologycentral.com/foru...gian-cognitive-functions/84119-si-memory.html

http://www.typologycentral.com/foru...si-conservative-semantics-misconceptions.html

http://www.typologycentral.com/foru...-describe-ni-understand.html?highlight=NJs+Ni

I might also recommend another good way to figure out your type, if you are having trouble determining your dominant function, is to look at the inferior. In this case, Ne for ISFJ and Se for INFJ. Typing by inferior is, I've found, another good way to go when you're stuck, as the inferior manifests in unique ways for each type.
 

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Simply put

Si: preservation of knowledge

I will do what I can to preserve, cherish and bookkeep knowledge.

Ni: experimentation of knowledge

Knowing this, what would this do? If I know this, can I imply that this could lead to that?

Which feels more natural to you? Like it's natural, don't try to construct it. Perception is an automatic process.

I just made this up on the spot. :cheese:
 

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Si is not the preservation of knowledge.
I see it as the trying to get a sense of what is possible/ahead of us and organizing our mentalities around that.
 

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Si is not the preservation of knowledge.
I see it as the trying to get a sense of what is possible/ahead of us and organizing our mentalities around that.

Ne sees possibilities, Si prepares for them.

Si does preserve knowledge. It is a storage facility for subjective impressions of facts. Ne generates ideas connecting those impressions.

At least, that's how I understand the Si/Ne axis.

Ni: experimentation of knowledge

Knowing this, what would this do? If I know this, can I imply that this could lead to that?

As an Ni Dom, I think Ni just generates ideas based on Se observation. You focus your attention on a given object, and lo and behold, ideas shower your brain.

Both types of intuition see implications. One difference between Ne and Ni is that Ne makes connections jumping from point to point through Si memories, while Ni takes a point of interest and just generates ideas around it; also, Ni tends to consolidate ideas in a centralized manner, while Ne is a more descentralized function.
 

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Si is not the preservation of knowledge.
I see it as the trying to get a sense of what is possible/ahead of us and organizing our mentalities around that.

You're thinking of Ni-Je homeslice.

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Ne sees possibilities, Si prepares for them.

Si does preserve knowledge. It is a storage facility for subjective impressions of facts. Ne generates ideas connecting those impressions.

At least, that's how I understand the Si/Ne axis.



As an Ni Dom, I think Ni just generates ideas based on Se observation. You focus your attention on a given object, and lo and behold, ideas shower your brain.

Both types of intuition see implications. One difference between Ne and Ni is that Ne makes connections jumping from point to point through Si memories, while Ni takes a point of interest and just generates ideas around it; also, Ni tends to consolidate ideas in a centralized manner, while Ne is a more descentralized function.

Why did you not bother to quote me?
 

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Hello. I am a 21 year old female. For the past 3-4 years, I've been trying to figure out my MBTI type. When I was 17-18, I would always test as an INTJ or INTP. However, I have consistently typed as an INFJ for the past 6 months now, and I don't think I'm an INFJ. I've also typed as an INFP or ISFP. After discovering the cognitive functions of each type, I'm pretty settled on ISFJ, as I think it fits me the best, but I'm still unsure about this.

Hello there.
I am not 100% knowledgeable on cognitive functions, so you'll have to forgive me if I am going to read you wrongly, but I'll try my best.

Here is a list of traits I posses. I think they fit ISFJ perfectly, but I would like the imput of others before settling on a type:

• I am extremely future oriented. I really do not have any interest in the past, unless it can be helpful for the future. I have a tendency to think about what could be.

This is not Si, which is what ISFJs mainly use. What you are using is either Ne or Ni, making you a xNxx type rather than a xSxx type.
Description of Ne
Description of Ni

Which one strikes you as yourself?

• I am not a sentimental person. In fact, I sometimes find extremely sentimental people to be attention seeking, and I find people who constantly talk about things they find sentimental to be irritating.

This may be a rejection of anything Si-dominating, and I am trying not to stereotype, but Si-doms and people who use Si in general enjoy being sentimental in a way, though I could be wrong in my assumptions. But that's the gist of it whenever I hear or see them talk about certain things.

• I am an extremely shy and reserved person. I'm trying to work on the shyness, but I've been reserved all my life.

:notype: but that means, statistically speaking, you are more of an inward person (introvert) than you are of an outward person (extravert).

• I don't have a huge social circle, and I prefer one-on-one conversation.

Introvert.

• I am concerned with the emotional well-being of others. I tend to be more intuned with the emotions of others than my own. In fact, I am a very closed of person who has been described as hard-to-read. I am often able to feel the emotional state of others, and I'm decent at figuring out what others are thinking. I also hate to dwell on my own emotions. If I'm feeling emotional, I prefer to write it down my journal than just letting it sit in my mind.

What you are describing does sound like Fe, but here are descriptions and you can make the final call yourself:
Description of Fe
Description of Fi

• I hate it when people go into excessive details when describing things. I would rather people get to the point when they speak, or I would rather they use analogies or metaphors than tell me pointless details.

Same here. With this in mind, that would make you an Intuitive type rather than a Sensor. Again, am trying not to jump to conclusions or reaching them through stereotyping, but xNxx types hate excessive details.

• I'm good at figuring out if someone is lying to me.

Could be your Ni working here.

• I'm good at picking out behavioral patterns, and I use this to determine how I think someone will act in a certain situation.

Ni.

• I'm decent at analytical thinking, and deciding whether or not what someone says makes logical sense.

Ti.

• I hate parties and loud crowds.

:notype: but this may point to you as being an introvert, definitely.

• I'm indecisive. This is because I'm trying trying to figure out what is best for everyone.

Fe.

• I don't think about how things were done in the past. I look at each situation with a different perspective, since I think each situation is different, and you cannot compare one to the other. I'm also good at thinking of multiple different ways a situation could end up.

This sounds like Ne to me.

• I love theoretical ideas and concepts, even if I know they have no real-world application. I always think they have the possibility of happening, though.

The more I'm reading all of this, the more I am convinced that you are not an ISFJ. Not that they won't or cannot enjoy theories and concepts, but what you wrote points to you being an Intuitive type above all.

• When I'm stressed, I tend to overeat, oversleep, get extremely emotional and blunt with people, and I usually just flat-out shut down. I also tend to feel very "sexual" or "adventurous" when in an extreme state of stress, and these thoughts upset me.

Inferior Se.

• I have crippling social anxiety, and my therapist told me that I may have extremely high functioning Asperger's. I know this has nothing to do with MBTI, but it interferes with my ability to get as close to people as I desire to. I like to help and understand people, but these issues seem to be getting in the way of my ability to do so.

:notype:, although based on statisitics, its usually INxx types who are more likely to get diagnosed (or at least have people be suspicious of you having) with autism or asperger's.

• My family members tell me I worry too much about other people. This is because I'm always thinking ways something could end up, and I try to help/protect people. My twin sister also think's I'm irritating, because I'm always trying to help her fix her issues when she doesn't want help or wants to be alone.

Fe, fe, fe.

• I am fascinated at how the human mind works. I'm always wondering why people do the things they do, etc.

I want to say this is a Ni-Fe activity, since its about mental observations (Ni) and applying it to your relationship with other people (Fe), but I am not 100% sure.

• I was a lonely child and teenager. I rarely opened up to other people, and I was hard to read.

Introvert, though there are shy extraverts, but that is not what you strike me as.

• I don't try to persuade people to change their opinions. Instead, I like to see why they think the way they do. I'm also not offended when people have different ideas than me.

Good for you! It is very healthy to have this sort of mindset. :) That said, this points to you as being xNxx type since you love to explore different theories, possibilities, and the things in life that cannot really be felt or measured, you know, everything that is about the human mind and what it can show you. I hope I'm making sense, lol.

• I'm not an extremely traditional person, and I question thoughts and ways of thinking that I view as highly ineffective and pointless. I also have my own way of doing things, and I try to make logical sense in my mind.

This makes you sound like an NT type, but since you clearly show lots of Fe in your posts, you are thus an INFx type.

• I hate small talk and chit-chat.

Introvert.

• I hate social media. I can usually read though people's Instagram and Facebook pages, and I can tell when they're being fake. This is why I avoid social media at all cost.

Hmm. This rejection to the societal mundane things is definitely an Intuitive type thing more so than a Sensing type thing.

• I hate doing practical things. Now, I am rather good at managing money and doing everyday task like paying bills, but this is because I can see the long-term impact if I don't do these things. I also prefer to live in my mind, and I'm not fond of "living in the moment", as I don't understand how anyone can truly live in the here and now.

Intuitive type. I think you being resentful of the living in the moment thing is you rejecting your inferior Se, though, again, I am not 100% sure and am just going from what I've learned thus far.

I think I'm an ISFJ because: I'm good at connecting things to form a conclusion, and I often come to conclusions with no logical explanation (Si), I like to help people, and I can connect to and absorb their emotions more than my own (Fe), I form analytical and logical systems in my mind rather than in the external world (Ti), and I see things and react to the external world when in dire situations (Ne). I also read that ISFJ is one of the most common MBTI types amongst women, and they often mistype themselves as INFJ, INFP, ISFP, or ESFJ. If I have described this wrong, then feel free to correct me.

That first sentence is not Si but Ni. You are correct about the Fe and Ti parts, though. The Ne description is actually Se, since its about quickly reacting in a physical sense.

My type diagnosis for you: INFJ with a logical-type enneagram (1, 3, 5, 7), or at least INTJ whose Fe seems to be popping up for some reason.
 

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I retook the humanmetrics MBTI test, and I also took the PSTypes enneagram test.



•My results for the Enneagram test:
PSTypes Enneagram Test Results

The Distribution of Your Scores

Type One: 19
Type Two: 32
Type Three: 7
Type Four: 29
Type Five: 48
Type Six: 44
Type Seven: 4
Type Eight: 5
Type Nine: 37
Your probable Enneagram Type

Your main type is 5.
Considering the wings you should be a 5w6.


•My results for the MBTI test:

INFJ Introvert(97%) iNtuitive(53%) Feeling(6%) Judging(47%) You have strong preference of Introversion over Extraversion (97%) You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (53%) You have slight preference of Feeling over Thinking (6%) You have moderate preference of Judging over Perceiving (47%)


I'm sorry for taking so long to reply to this thread. I'm still not certain about the INFJ result I keep on getting, though. I feel as though I'm not extroverted enough, because I read somewhere that INFJs are the most extroverted introverts, and I'm an extreme introvert. I do care about helping people and making them feel good, though. I also feel like I'm too old to be an INFJ, but maybe this is just my severe social anxiety getting in the way. I always feel extremely vulnerable and sensitive, and I'm afraid of opening up to people on an emotional level.
 

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I feel as though I'm not extroverted enough, because I read somewhere that INFJs are the most extroverted introverts, and I'm an extreme introvert. I do care about helping people and making them feel good, though.

They say that because ISFJs and INFJs have Fe rather than Fi, giving them an extraverted vibe even though they can be deeply introverted. When I think about E-types, I think of large social groups, going out often and enjoying the outer world, and hating moments of solitude. Results may vary depending on the individual, but seeing as how your test typed your enneagram as 5w6 (I knew it lmao), it will make you seemingly a lot more introverted and your Ti function stronger. Had you been a different enneagram type, for example, type 3, it may make you a more outwardly outgoing INFJ.
 

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They say that because ISFJs and INFJs have Fe rather than Fi, giving them an extraverted vibe even though they can be deeply introverted. When I think about E-types, I think of large social groups, going out often and enjoying the outer world, and hating moments of solitude. Results may vary depending on the individual, but seeing as how your test typed your enneagram as 5w6 (I knew it lmao), it will make you seemingly a lot more introverted and your Ti function stronger. Had you been a different enneagram type, for example, type 3, it may make you a more outwardly outgoing INFJ.

I still don't understand how I'm an INFJ. If my enneagram is 5w6, does that mean I may give off more INTJ vibes when people first meet me? Is that why I used to consistently get INTJ as a result when I was younger?
 

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I still don't understand how I'm an INFJ. If my enneagram is 5w6, does that mean I may give off more INTJ vibes when people first meet me? Is that why I used to consistently get INTJ as a result when I was younger?

From what I've been taught by other members here, any MBTI type can be any enneagram type. While it is true that enneagram types correlates to certain MBTI types (IxTJ are usually 5, INFP are usually 4, etc.), that doesn't mean you can't be a feeler type even if you have a logical enneagram type.

In the end, its your call. If you strongly believe that you are not an INFJ, then don't type yourself as that. INTJ seems like a good fit for you too.
 

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I took the Keys2Cognition test.


Here are my results:


Understanding Your Results
A profile of your cognitive development is presented below, based on how you have described yourself. A 4-letter personality type code and temperament are also presented for your convenience if you are familiar with those frameworks. Most people find their results match their 4-letter personality type code and temperament. That is, we tend to develop what we prefer and vice versa. As you reflect on your cognitive profile, keep in mind that sometimes we develop a cognitive process to meet the demands of our environment or use a process well in one area of our lives but not others.

The Eight Processes
Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung identified four mental functions — today known as cognitive processes. We focus our attention and gather information using Sensing (S) and iNtuiting (N), and we organize our experiences and make decisions using Thinking (T) and Feeling (F). Jung described how each of these four processes plays out in a person's "internal world" (I) of thoughts, feelings, memories and imagination; and in the "external world" (E) of actions, people, tools and organizations. Thus, 8 cognitive processes (Se, Si, Ne, Ni, Te, Ti, Fe, Fi).

Basic and Developed Use
Each cognitive process can be engaged in a basic, unsophisticated way reflecting our natural human capabilities. Almost everyone can engage each process in some basic way. Beyond this, you will engage some cognitive processes in a more sophisticated, developed way. This is usually the result of innate preference plus lifelong growth and practice, which equals development.

Perceiving—how we focus our attention and gather information

Cognitive Process Basic (Passive) Use Developed (Active) Use
extraverted Sensing (Se) Notice sensory data in the environment. Trust your instincts and take action relevant to the moment and current context.
introverted Sensing (Si) Recall tangible data and experiences. Stabilize a situation by comparing it to what is expected, known and reliable.
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) Notice abstract patterns as they emerge. Shift a situation's dynamics and explore imaginative potential possibilities.
introverted Intuiting (Ni) Receive "ah-ha" insights and realizations. Persue a greater level of awareness to transform who you are and how you think.

Judging—how we organize our experiences and make decisions

Cognitive Process Basic (Passive) Use Developed (Active) Use
extraverted Thinking (Te) Follow steps, points and time tables. Create structure, reason by measures and evidence, and implement complex plans.
introverted Thinking (Ti) Adhere to definitions and impersonal principles. Analyze a problem using a framework, and find an angle or leverage by which to solve it.
extraverted Feeling (Fe) Honor others' needs and preferences. Connect with people by sharing values and taking on their needs as yours.
introverted Feeling (Fi) Adhere to personal beliefs about what's important. Evalute situations and choose what you believe is congruent with your personal identity.

Development is more than basic or developed use of processes in isolation. Excellent use of a cognitive process involves both basic and advanced use as appropriate, and ability to deploy other processes in its service. Average to good use usually means we can use the process in limited situations or use it well but only with the aid of other processes. Poor use means basic use at most. Finally, we may get ourselves into trouble when we don't use a process at all.

Your Cognitive Development Profile
The forty-eight questions you rated earlier tap into the eight cognitive processes. Some questions tapped into basic or developed use of a process used by itself, while other questions tapped into use of multiple processes at once. The profile below is based on your responses. The number of squares indicate strength of response. The equivalent numeric is shown in parentheses along with likely level of development.

Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
extraverted Sensing (Se) ******* (7.2)
unused
introverted Sensing (Si) ******************************** (32.1)
good use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ******************************* (31.7)
good use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) ********************************************** (46.2)
excellent use
extraverted Thinking (Te) ********************************** (34.3)
good use
introverted Thinking (Ti) ******************************************** (44.8)
excellent use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) *************************************** (39)
excellent use
introverted Feeling (Fi) **** (4.1)
unused
Summary Analysis of Profile
By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: INFJ

Lead (Dominant) Process
Introverted Intuiting (Ni): Transforming with a meta-perspective. Withdrawing from the world and focusing your mind to receive an insight or realization. Checking if synergy results. Trying out a realization to transform things.

Support (Auxilliary) Process
Extraverted Feeling (Fe): Building trust through giving relationships. Empathically responding to others' needs and take on their needs and values as your own. Checking for respect and trust. Giving and receiving support to grow closer to people.

If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: ENFJ, or INTJ

If these results are different from what you know of yourself, you might consider why your developmental pattern does not align with your expectation. You might also consider exploring this result as a possible better fit.

The Four Temperaments
Corresponding best-fit temperaments based on your profile: Theorist; secondly Stabilizer; then Catalyst; and lastly, Improviser.
To read more about the four temperaments click here.

Sixteen Patterns
Jung observed that everyone has potential access to all eight cognitive processes but that we each prefer one as dominant — playing a lead role — with a second process playing a support role. Your two preferred cognitive processes allow you to do information gathering and decision making, introverting and extraverting. Maybe you prefer introverted Intuiting in a lead role with extraverted Feeling in a support role, or maybe you prefer extraverted Sensing in a lead role with introverted Thinking in a support role. Or maybe you prefer some other pairing. These pairings tap into sixteen possible patterns which are often represented using a 4-letter code. Here are the sixteen type patterns and the preferred cognitive processes associated with each:

Type Lead Process Support Process
ESTP extraverted Sensing introverted Thinking
ISTP introverted Thinking extraverted Sensing
ESFP extraverted Sensing introverted Feeling
ISFP introverted Feeling extraverted Sensing
ESTJ extraverted Thinking introverted Sensing
ISTJ introverted Sensing extraverted Thinking
ESFJ extraverted Feeling introverted Sensing
ISFJ introverted Sensing extraverted Feeling
ENTJ extraverted Thinking introverted Intuiting
INTJ introverted Intuiting extraverted Thinking
ENTP extraverted Intuiting introverted Thinking
INTP introverted Thinking extraverted Intuiting
ENFJ extraverted Feeling introverted Intuiting
INFJ introverted Intuiting extraverted Feeling
ENFP extraverted Intuiting introverted Feeling
INFP introverted Feeling extraverted Intuiting

Validity and Reliability of Results
As of October 2005, over 3000 people have taken this cognitive assessment. There are many ways to validate an assessment. A common statistical method called factor analysis confirms there are eight distinct cognitive categories (all items in the assessment that tap into the same cognitive process have a correlation of at least r=0.2 and most have r=0.4 to r=0.6.) Furthermore, people who have taken this assessment and reported their 4-letter type code have received results that matched their type code 75% to 80% of the time. This is excellent performance since the reported type may be inaccurate even when "validated" or from a professional assessment. Even when the type code does not exactly match, the temperament result matches over 95% of the time. Thus, you can consider your results here as valid as those from any professionally developed assessment.

Further Exploration
What if the 4-letter code reported here is different from what you expected? Say your type code result here is ESTP and the type you are familiar with for yourself is INTJ. Even though the type codes look quite different, you may have rated the cognitive processes for these two types rather closely. Also, keep in mind the cognitive profile is based on your responses. Continuing with the example, if you didn't think of yourself as an ESTP, then you would want to explore why you rated highly a phrase such as "freely follow your gut instincts and exciting physical impulses as they come up." This phrase clearly does not fit with the INTJ type pattern. Please visit Best-Fit Type : Exploring the Multiple Models of Personality Type for more information and exploration. You may also be interested in "8 Keys to Self-Leadership" by Dario Nardi.
 
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